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Old 07-11-2015, 02:04 PM  
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Justin Houston Contract Rumor...
Yeah, yeah.. Bleacher report.

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/2...ey-from-chiefs

Says Justin Houston wants a JJ Watt type contract from the Chiefs. Watt signed a six year 100 million deal with Houston.

http://www.spotrac.com/nfl/houston-texans/j.j.-watt/

Those numbers actually seem fairly reasonable, assuming Houston keeps at his trade. Probably ends up being a little bit less guaranteed, but I could certainly live with that salary cap hit year-by-year.
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Old 07-15-2015, 08:18 AM   #961
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Brandon Albert?...
Albert was almost certainly never a part of their long term plans.

Houston is.
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Old 07-15-2015, 08:19 AM   #962
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I'm guessing that he's alluding to Albert.

It was pretty clear in that case that they never had any long term plans at attempting to keep him.
I agree. The Albert situation had nothing to do with KC's reluctance to pay top dollar for players. It had more to do with their correct assessment that he isn't one of the best LTs in the game and didn't deserve to be paid like one.
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Old 07-15-2015, 08:20 AM   #963
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So, in your mind, sacks are valued differently depending on who gets them?
Not in my mind... It is a fact. It's exactly why Suh who is a DT makes more than Watt. The position is everything in Houston's contract. It is the hold up. He wants to be paid like a d-linemen because he puts up elite d-linemen numbers. He wants to be paid as a "pass rusher." Dorsey and most of the rest of the league's businessmen probably don't want to go down that road because he's a linebacker and LBers make significantly less.

See where I am coming from?

Clay Mathews got 5 years $66 million with $20.5 million guaranteed. I think he deserves 6 years $75 million with $50 million guaranteed. That would be a very generous contract for a LBer. It would make him the highest paid in the league by a lot.
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Old 07-15-2015, 08:20 AM   #964
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Houston just had one of the best seasons in NFL history and is a potential hall of fame player. Albert is an above average left tackle. They are in no way comparable
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Old 07-15-2015, 08:21 AM   #965
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Miami overpaid for an often injured slightly above average left tackle. The Chiefs made the right decision in letting Albert go. I'll bet Miami wishes Albert was still in KC.
That's not the point. The point is our team and the same GM has done exactly what you tried to say was uncommon.

The biggest difference between the two situations is that Houston is a much better player and the Chiefs are looking at being in much better cap position the next few years...
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Old 07-15-2015, 08:23 AM   #966
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Absolutely. That is a fact. It's exactly why Suh who is a DT makes more than Watt. The position is everything in Houston's contract. It is the hold up. He wants to be paid like a d-linemen because he puts up elite d-linemen numbers. He wants to be paid as a "pass rusher." Dorsey and most of the rest of the league's businessmen probably don't want to go down that road because he's a linebacker and LBers make significantly less.

See where I am coming from?
I know what you're saying. I'm saying a sack is a sack is a sack.

Not only did Houston provide them, but he provided so many while dropping into coverage 25% of the time. That equates to less pass rush attempts, meaning more productivity.

He's all that, and a bag of chips.
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Jason Avant can't be the most over rated Chief ever. That honor belongs to Branden Albert
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Old 07-15-2015, 08:24 AM   #968
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Houston just had one of the best seasons in NFL history and is a potential hall of fame player. Albert is an above average left tackle. They are in no way comparable
In no way?

It's a very similar situation. We have a player we tagged who wants big money. We have his possible replacement on roster and the team feels they have some leverage. We have tried and failed to reach an agreement to this point.
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I know what you're saying. I'm saying a sack is a sack is a sack.

Not only did Houston provide them, but he provided so many while dropping into coverage 25% of the time. That equates to less pass rush attempts, meaning more productivity.

He's all that, and a bag of chips.
He is man but, the fact is that doesn't matter.

Look at Ed Reed. He was amazing back there at safety. He got a ton of picks. He never got shut down corner back money. Why? Because he played safety and not corner. His impact on the game was every bit as influential as a shut down corner if not more.

A pick isn't a pick and a sack isn't a sack. It's about position.
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Jason Avant can't be the most over rated Chief ever. That honor belongs to Branden Albert
Completely ignore that I'm comparing contract situations and the negotiations, not the player...
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I'm guessing that he's alluding to Albert.

It was pretty clear in that case that they never had any long term plans at attempting to keep him.
Yup. In fact that hey tried to trade him the year before. And you never had Clark hunt make a public statement that they really want to keep him. The only other guy I remember Clark doing that with in the Dorsey Era was Alex Smith. And they got that deal done.
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In no way?

It's a very similar situation. We have a player we tagged who wants big money. We have his possible replacement on roster and the team feels they have some leverage. We have tried and failed to reach an agreement to this point.
A. Houston is worth it and Albert isn't
B. Hali is reaching the end so we don't really have a replacement. Ford is Hali's replacement, not Houston's
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Completely ignore that I'm comparing contract situations and the negotiations, not the player...
The player makes the situation.
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In no way?

It's a very similar situation. We have a player we tagged who wants big money. We have his possible replacement on roster and the team feels they have some leverage. We have tried and failed to reach an agreement to this point.
No, they are in no way comparable.

They tagged Albert as a stop gap measure, and never really negotiated to keep him long term.
They drafted Fisher with a clear plan to move him to LT after Albert walked.

Houston is clearly a part of their long term plans, and they are negotiating as we speak.
They drafted Ford to replace Hali.
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