Chiefs extend Tyler Bray's contract

[Dante84]

On my phone, please embed for me.

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[DJ's left nut]

Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud

Howard was drafted in 2012, making 2015 his final contract year (4 years).

He'll be a free agent unless the Chiefs extend or re-sign him.

Personally, I think it needs to get done. Bailey, Poe & Howard for the next four years would be awesome.

Bailey got 4/$25 million that likely ends up being 3/$19 million when all is said and done. If you're Howard, you might take that, but given the relative lack of quality young veterans (especially on the interior line), you may also want to take your chances in the market.

Now, let's assume that Howard would take Bailey's deal - would you even offer it? I don't know that I would. I've liked what I've seen from him, but he's also a guy that was just a 4th rounder and he's had some pretty significant injuries in his past.

Honestly, with the money we already have/will have tied up in our front 7, I think Howard's a luxury item at that price. I don't think the Chiefs can offer him Bailey's deal, nor do I think he'd be eager to jump at it.

[DJ's left nut]

Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud

I'd offer him the same exact deal as Bailey: 5 years, $25 million.

It was 4/$25. The extension kicked in this year (they didn't do anything with his base salary for last year).

You still want to give him that? It's not an insignificant sum and I don't see him as a cornerstone player by any means. He's exactly the kind of guy that you should be looking to find on the cheap in the draft.

[jonzie04]

What do you guys think of offering Howard the exact contract Bailey got? I know Howard spoke out last year about how he really respected the Chiefs paying Bailey and he was busting his tail to get a big pay day like that. That seems like a fair offer to me. I think Howard will end up being the best run stuffing 3-4 end in the league, and the arrow is going up and so is his value. But maybe I think more highly of him then most. If I were Howard I'd probably bet on myself though.

[ChiefGator]

Originally Posted by DJ's left nut

Bailey got 4/$25 million that likely ends up being 3/$19 million when all is said and done. If you're Howard, you might take that, but given the relative lack of quality young veterans (especially on the interior line), you may also want to take your chances in the market.

Now, let's assume that Howard would take Bailey's deal - would you even offer it? I don't know that I would. I've liked what I've seen from him, but he's also a guy that was just a 4th rounder and he's had some pretty significant injuries in his past.

Honestly, with the money we already have/will have tied up in our front 7, I think Howard's a luxury item at that price. I don't think the Chiefs can offer him Bailey's deal, nor do I think he'd be eager to jump at it.

3 years, $15 mil would be nice. Or 4 years, $25 mil where we all know the last year won't happen.

[jonzie04]

Damn I typed that out before I read what you guys wrote. I think we're thinking the same here lol.

[DaneMcCloud]

Originally Posted by DJ's left nut

It was 4/$25. The extension kicked in this year (they didn't do anything with his base salary for last year).

You still want to give him that? It's not an insignificant sum and I don't see him as a cornerstone player by any means. He's exactly the kind of guy that you should be looking to find on the cheap in the draft.

Yeah, I think that 4/25 is fair for a guy with his size, explosion, knowledge of the system and versatility has to offer.

$6 million a year is more than a fair deal, IMO.

[DJ's left nut]

Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud

Yeah, I think that 4/25 is far for a guys with his size, explosion, knowledge of the system and versatility has to offer.

$6 million a year is more than a far deal, IMO.

Fair enough.

Here's my concern - yes, two years is a long ways away, but let's look at the front 7 in 2017 at that point. Houston's sporting a $20 million cap hit, Bailey will be at 6, if Howard has Bailey's contract he'll be at 5, Poe's 5th year player option will likely be around $9. Forunately Dee Ford will be cheap, but he'll still be at 3. Derrick Johnson is probably finishing up his career in the 4-5 range.

We're talking about a $50 million front 7. And yeah, that's an approach to take, but boy that puts a strain on resources.

I think either way is defensible, but like I said, I'm not entirely convinced that Howard would even take Bailey's deal. Then again, that $10 million check would be awfully awfully convincing...

I dunno. Fortunately I really trust this front office so if they go that route, I'll trust that they see something in Howard that I haven't quite seen.

[mcaj22]

if Howard bets on himself he will cash in on the open market, the defensive line version of Rodney Hudson basically.

[DaneMcCloud]

Originally Posted by DJ's left nut

Fair enough.

Here's my concern - yes, two years is a long ways away, but let's look at the front 7 in 2017 at that point. Houston's sporting a $20 million cap hit, Bailey will be at 6, if Howard has Bailey's contract he'll be at 5, Poe's 5th year player option will likely be around $9. Forunately Dee Ford will be cheap, but he'll still be at 3. Derrick Johnson is probably finishing up his career in the 4-5 range.

We're talking about a $50 million front 7. And yeah, that's an approach to take, but boy that puts a strain on resources.

I think either way is defensible, but like I said, I'm not entirely convinced that Howard would even take Bailey's deal. Then again, that $10 million check would be awfully awfully convincing...

I dunno. Fortunately I really trust this front office so if they go that route, I'll trust that they see something in Howard that I haven't quite seen.

The cap is currently $143 million. It's supposed to take a big jump next year with numbers as high as $163 million. But let's just say it continues to rise just $10 million per year over the course of the next three seasons.

By 2018, the third year of a deal for Howard, the cap would be $173 million.

Having $6 million of that tied up in a good DT/DE would be peanuts.

[sedated]

I'm not sorting through a billion pages of people arguing, but did anyone even notice the fact that there are zero guarantees included in the contract.

If that's right, it seems they could cut him tomorrow and owe him nothing.

[ChiefGator]

Originally Posted by DJ's left nut

We're talking about a $50 million front 7.

Yeah, but the cap will probably be what.. $160 million? Our defensive back field should remain cheap with how young they are.

I don't think that 32% of the cap is so bad for 64% of our defense. We will likely get our defense under 50% of the cap, unless we sign Sean Smith to a deal.

[DJ's left nut]

Originally Posted by sedated

I'm not sorting through a billion pages of people arguing, but did anyone even notice the fact that there are zero guarantees included in the contract.

If that's right, it seems they could cut him tomorrow and owe him nothing.

It's been pointed out several times, yes.

Don't sort - read.

[Dante84]

Originally Posted by rico

Can someone post that LaCanfora tweet from TC where he said something about really liking Bray. I can't do it from my phone. Anyone know what tweet I'm talking about? I think it mentioned the Chiefs being a team to watch for in trading QB....

Wonder is someone like Arthur Brown would make sense as depth lb for chiefs as well. Chiefs deep at qb too. Like Bray a lot...

— Jason La Canfora (@JasonLaCanfora) August 4, 2015

[Tribal Warfare]

Huh, I be damned . They must really really like Bray to Bro-Down like this.

[chiefzilla1501]

Originally Posted by mcaj22

if Howard bets on himself he will cash in on the open market, the defensive line version of Rodney Hudson basically.

I'm surprised people think he'll seek Allen Bailey money. Hudson knew he had several years of starting experience. Even though Howard played well last year he's still an unknown. If I'm the chiefs I lock him up asap and I'm sure they can lock him in much cheaper than Bailey.