Chiefs Chiefs' defense is on its way to being historically bad - Page 4

oaklandhater · 10-06-2015, 02:30 PM

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CINCINNATI -- In an effort to figure out how historically bad this year’s Kansas City Chiefs defense is trending to be, I found something it has already done that defenses run by Greg Robinson and Romeo Crennel never did.

That alone makes it bad.

The Chiefs have allowed 30 or more points in three straight games within a season for the second time in franchise history. The other time was in 1987 but that one comes with a huge asterisk. The Chiefs used replacement players during the labor strike for two of those games.

The Chiefs have allowed 321 yards passing in each of their last two games. That’s an incredible stat considering they haven’t led during either game and the opponent didn’t have to throw. The Packers and Bengals just found it so easy they didn’t want to stop.

You could say the Chiefs were ripped the last two weeks by the two top-rated quarterbacks in the league, Aaron Rodgers and Andy Dalton. That’s true, but that’s still an unusual happening in Chiefs history. They’ve allowed 321-plus passing yards in three straight games twice and 321-plus in two straight games two other times.

But it’s the points where the Chiefs are truly embarrassing themselves. They are on a pace to allow exactly 500, which would blow away the franchise record of 440, set by the 2008 Chiefs.

That team, by the way, finished 2-14.

Chiefnj2 · 10-06-2015, 03:33 PM

The whole team is playing very uninspired football. The D remains listless the entire 60 minutes while the offense wakes up once they are down 20+ points.

I'm not sure the talent is as good as people thought it was. Sutton can take some of the blame, but at the end of the day Fleming, Cooper, Branch and Parker have all been picked on and haven't been able to do much. Berry doesn't look 100%, and neither does Poe. Ford apparently can't beat out a quickly descending Hali. Plus, you have Smith out 3 games, Gaines out and a rookie CB who has flashed but has probably given up 5 TDs so far this year.

oaklandhater · 10-06-2015, 03:46 PM

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Originally Posted by Chiefnj2

The whole team is playing very uninspired football. The D remains listless the entire 60 minutes while the offense wakes up once they are down 20+ points.

I'm not sure the talent is as good as people thought it was. Sutton can take some of the blame, but at the end of the day Fleming, Cooper, Branch and Parker have all been picked on and haven't been able to do much. Berry doesn't look 100%, and neither does Poe. Ford apparently can't beat out a quickly descending Hali. Plus, you have Smith out 3 games, Gaines out and a rookie CB who has flashed but has probably given up 5 TDs so far this year.

This I think the team has kinda of gave up after the den game they look done out there

Deberg_1990 · 10-06-2015, 03:52 PM

Wasnt there 2 TDs in the Broncos game that weren't defensive related at all? A pick six and a fumble?

**Rausch** · 10-06-2015, 03:56 PM

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Originally Posted by Deberg_1990

Wasnt there 2 TDs in the Broncos game that weren't defensive related at all? A pick six and a fumble?

Keep in mind that BOTH of those plays could have been prevented by the HC.

If the HC kneels the ball they don't happen. One sends us in to half time with a 7 point lead and the other sends us to OT with a chance to win.

Just by smart decision making by the HC the poor play of our players could have been overcome. Instead the HC $3it his pants as well...

Three7s · 10-06-2015, 03:56 PM

It's hard to blame the secondary too much when we get no pressure on the QB.

Deberg_1990 · 10-06-2015, 03:57 PM

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Originally Posted by Rausch

Keep in mind that BOTH of those plays could have been prevented by the HC.

If the HC kneels the ball they don't happen. One sends us in to half time with a 7 point lead and the other sends us to OT with a chance to win.

Just by smart decision making by the HC the poor play of our players could have been overcome. Instead the HC $3it his pants as well...

IM just saying there should be an asterisk with this stat. You cant hang those points on the defense.

mcaj22 · 10-06-2015, 04:10 PM

I got so much crap from delusional homers on here when I said weeks ago Sutton will be the first one fired.

now everyone agrees

RunKC · 10-06-2015, 04:16 PM

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Originally Posted by Stop, Chiefs

Yep, he will be the scapegoat and Alex and Andy will get a free pass.

Sutton can't be the scapegoat for three years of offensive line failure and Red zone failures yet again

jonzie04 · 10-06-2015, 04:18 PM

Our defense should still be way better than it is but a lot of our guys aren't nearly as good as we thought.
Below average guys that are supposed to be pro bowlers
DJ
Poe
Berry
Hali
Then we have a few guys in the secondary who can't tackle to save their lives
Ron Parker has to be one of the worst tackling safeties in the entire league.
Sean Smith gives no effort against the run
Peters while willing, hasn't been tackling well.
Gaines same situation as peters

Bailey is average at best against the run, he's got a few sacks but generally applies no pressure.
Howard is an animal against the run but can't pas Rush at all.
Abdullah is average.
Mauga, Fleming, Cooper are all God awful.

oaklandhater · 10-06-2015, 04:20 PM

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Originally Posted by mcaj22

I got so much crap from delusional homers on here when I said weeks ago Sutton will be the first one fired.

now everyone agrees

It will only get worst for the homers here I think Cutler is going to have a 3-4 td day

mcaj22 · 10-06-2015, 04:20 PM

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Originally Posted by jonzie04

Our defense should still be way better than it is but a lot of our guys aren't nearly as good as we thought.
Below average guys that are supposed to be pro bowlers
DJ
Poe
Berry
Hali
Then we have a few guys in the secondary who can't tackle to save their lives
Ron Parker has to be one of the worst tackling safeties in the entire league.
Sean Smith gives no effort against the run
Peters while willing, hasn't been tackling well.
Gaines same situation as peters

Bailey is average at best against the run, he's got a few sacks but generally applies no pressure.
Howard is an animal against the run but can't pas Rush at all.
Abdullah is average.
Mauga, Fleming, Cooper are all God awful.

or ya know, it could be the one trick pony defensive scheme and awful coaching putting these guys in the wrong place.

I don't believe in that many good players just all magically lose their football talent and become below average/invisible in one offseason. A whole side of the ball doesn't lose their talent that quick.

**New World Order** · 10-06-2015, 04:28 PM

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Originally Posted by KC_Lee

Paging Eric Hicks...please pick up the red & yellow courtesy phone for an urgent message...

Don't forget Vonnie Holiday and Shawn Barber

**New World Order** · 10-06-2015, 04:29 PM

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Originally Posted by jonzie04

Our defense should still be way better than it is but a lot of our guys aren't nearly as good as we thought.
Below average guys that are supposed to be pro bowlers
DJ
Poe
Berry
Hali
Then we have a few guys in the secondary who can't tackle to save their lives
Ron Parker has to be one of the worst tackling safeties in the entire league.
Sean Smith gives no effort against the run
Peters while willing, hasn't been tackling well.
Gaines same situation as peters

Bailey is average at best against the run, he's got a few sacks but generally applies no pressure.
Howard is an animal against the run but can't pas Rush at all.
Abdullah is average.
Mauga, Fleming, Cooper are all God awful.

DJ is old and was hurt last year.
Hali is old
Berry was sick

On top of all that we have an idiot defensive coordinator. I think the majority (including me) on this board thought with the return of Sean Smith the secondary would look better.

Well, it didn't.

**The Franchise** · 10-06-2015, 04:31 PM

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Originally Posted by mcaj22

or ya know, it could be the one trick pony defensive scheme and awful coaching putting these guys in the wrong place.

I don't believe in that many good players just all magically lose their football talent and become below average/invisible in one offseason. A whole side of the ball doesn't lose their talent that quick.

This.

Sutton is ****ing this all up.

Prison Bitch · 10-06-2015, 04:31 PM

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Originally Posted by Pestilence

Say hello to your top 5 pick.

No Golden Flamers.

10-06-2015, 02:30 PM
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10-06-2015, 03:33 PM	#46
Chiefnj2 In Search of a Life Join Date: Mar 2007 Casino cash: $6674388	The whole team is playing very uninspired football. The D remains listless the entire 60 minutes while the offense wakes up once they are down 20+ points. I'm not sure the talent is as good as people thought it was. Sutton can take some of the blame, but at the end of the day Fleming, Cooper, Branch and Parker have all been picked on and haven't been able to do much. Berry doesn't look 100%, and neither does Poe. Ford apparently can't beat out a quickly descending Hali. Plus, you have Smith out 3 games, Gaines out and a rookie CB who has flashed but has probably given up 5 TDs so far this year. __________________ Mismanaging the clock.
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jonzie04 MVP Join Date: Feb 2014 Casino cash: $5716817	Our defense should still be way better than it is but a lot of our guys aren't nearly as good as we thought. Below average guys that are supposed to be pro bowlers DJ Poe Berry Hali Then we have a few guys in the secondary who can't tackle to save their lives Ron Parker has to be one of the worst tackling safeties in the entire league. Sean Smith gives no effort against the run Peters while willing, hasn't been tackling well. Gaines same situation as peters Bailey is average at best against the run, he's got a few sacks but generally applies no pressure. Howard is an animal against the run but can't pas Rush at all. Abdullah is average. Mauga, Fleming, Cooper are all God awful. __________________ 2015 Adopt A chief : Marcus Peters
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