Cardinals ***Official 2015 STL Cardinals Thread III.*** - Page 45

**BigRedChief** · 05:00 PM

2011 World Series Championship
2012 NLCS. One win from another WS appearance.
2013 World Series. Two wins from another World Series Championship
2014 NLCS. Three wins from another WS appearance
2015 Central Division title. Won 100 games. Lost in the NLDS.

Made the postseason 11 times in the last 15 seasons.
Only 1 losing season since 2000.
Reached the World Series 4 times since 2004 and won as many championships (two) the past eight seasons as it did from 1965 to 2005.
Made the NLCS 9 times including the last 4 years 2011-2014
Three million attendance? Take it to the bank.
65 post season wins since 2004. 22+ wins more than any other team.

**BigRedChief** · 12-01-2015, 04:44 PM

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Originally Posted by Jewish Rabbi

If Piscotty moves to first base full time for 2+ seasons, he's not going back to the outfield.

why not? He's not a 1B bat. He's a good corner OF bat. But.............we need an upgrade at 1B right now.

**OnTheWarpath15** · 12-01-2015, 06:43 PM

According to Nightengale, Price entered the day thinking he'd be signing a 7/$185 deal with the Cardinals. Then the Red Sox upped the offer, and the rest is history.

O.city · 12-01-2015, 06:48 PM

I just can't figure giving him THAT much money works out. Maybe I'm wrong, but I'd think you could get as much value by signing two tier 2 guys and a top free agent every day player for that

**BigRedChief** · 12-01-2015, 07:06 PM

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Originally Posted by OnTheWarpath58

According to Nightengale, Price entered the day thinking he'd be signing a 7/$185 deal with the Cardinals. Then the Red Sox upped the offer, and the rest is history.

Makes sense. I think almost all Cardinal fans would have been happy with that deal too.

According to most reports both Price and the Cardinals had mutual interest as long as the numbers made sense on the back end of the deal for the Cardinals. Like Pujols, Price decided that $30 million was worth more than playing for the Cardinals.

**BigRedChief** · 12-01-2015, 07:12 PM

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Originally Posted by O.city

I just can't figure giving him THAT much money works out. Maybe I'm wrong, but I'd think you could get as much value by signing two tier 2 guys and a top free agent every day player for that

The problem is baseball inflation. Every team is getting a big fat cable contract like the Cardinals got when their current deal is up. The online business is booming. Merchandise and ticket sales are up. Ad revenue is up. If they want to keep up the labor peace, they need to increase the salaries.

Hollidays deal a mere 5 years ago won't get you anything on the FA open market but an average run of the mill outfielder. Upton is going to get way more than that and he is not better than Holliday of two years ago.

Mother****erJones · 12-01-2015, 07:14 PM

Funny, Price will be making more money than Abreu, Sale and Quintana for us. That's a shitload of deal.

**BigRedChief** · 12-01-2015, 07:19 PM

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Originally Posted by Mother****erJones

Funny, Price will be making more money than Abreu, Sale and Quintana for us. That's a shitload of deal.

Yep, only the Red Sox, Yankees, Dodgers etc can make deals like that. He blows out a shoulder in year 3, no biggie, there's more money where that came from.

The reputed deal on the table from Nightengale is about as high as we can go. Only a top 5 payroll team can afford these elite top $ contracts.

Mi_chief_fan · 12-01-2015, 07:36 PM

So, does this help or hurt the chances for Heyward? Got a feeling the Yankees will hand him a blank check now.

Mother****erJones · 12-01-2015, 07:37 PM

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Originally Posted by BigRedChief

Yep, only the Red Sox, Yankees, Dodgers etc can make deals like that. He blows out a shoulder in year 3, no biggie, there's more money where that came from.

The reputed deal on the table from Nightengale is about as high as we can go. Only a top 5 payroll team can afford these elite top $ contracts.

IMO he should've went to STL. You're always good to great. Can't blame him tough for taking that money.

These deals seem to never work: Dodgers, Red Sox, Angels, Yankees, and Nationals.

My Sox haven't been good since '08 but we always make good signings with our star players (Sale, Quintana, and Abreu). Steal of deals there.

ChiefsCountry · 12-01-2015, 09:38 PM

27.5 per year is what I would have offered for Price. 31 is a little steep IMO.

**BigRedChief** · 12-01-2015, 10:04 PM

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Originally Posted by Mother****erJones

IMO he should've went to STL. You're always good to great. Can't blame him tough for taking that money.

These deals seem to never work: Dodgers, Red Sox, Angels, Yankees, and Nationals.

My Sox haven't been good since '08 but we always make good signings with our star players (Sale, Quintana, and Abreu). Steal of deals there.

I think he would be happier here than Boston. The media is tame as hell compared to Boston. The fans love their players even when they leave ad come back on another team. He should have saw how the Pujols contract worked out. Does anyone think Pujols is happy that he signed the contract?

Mother****erJones · 12-01-2015, 10:26 PM

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Originally Posted by BigRedChief

I think he would be happier here than Boston. The media is tame as hell compared to Boston. The fans love their players even when they leave ad come back on another team. He should have saw how the Pujols contract worked out. Does anyone think Pujols is happy that he signed the contract?

Chased the money. These guys are ****ing dumb. Think Cano is happy? Newp!

**BigRedChief** · 12-01-2015, 10:46 PM

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Originally Posted by Mother****erJones

Chased the money. These guys are ****ing dumb. Think Cano is happy? Newp!

But.....But....it's 22 Million more! Thats all they see. Not, I can be in a happier place and still have $185 million in generational changing money for his family.

Pasta Little Brioni · 12-01-2015, 11:38 PM

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Originally Posted by Mi_chief_fan

So, does this help or hurt the chances for Heyward? Got a feeling the Yankees will hand him a blank check now.

Hopefully it still means his ass is out the door. Let the Yanks piss more coin away. Maybe he can crack 20 bombs in that joke of a park.

**BigRedChief** · 12-02-2015, 12:04 AM

Nightengale in today s USA Today newspaper:

Why Price picked the Red Sox over the Cardinals

http://www.usatoday.com/story/sports...nals/76630810/

David Price teed off Tuesday morning at a Wally Joyner’s charity golf tournament in Las Vegas believing he would be spending the next seven years pitching for the St. Louis Cardinals.

By the time he left the event hosted by former major leaguer Wally Joyner in Las Vegas, Price had agreed to become a member of the Boston Red Sox with a deal that will make him the richest pitcher in history.

Price has agreed to a seven-year, $217 million contract with the Red Sox, a person directly involved in the negotiations told USA TODAY Sports. The person spoke on condition of anonymity since the deal won’t become official until Price passes a physical Thursday evening. Price is expected to be introduced at a press conference on Friday in Boston.

The contract, which was first reported by the Boston Globe, includes no deferred money, with an opt-out clause after the 2018 season. Price will be paid $30 million a year for the first three seasons, and will then receive annual salaries of $31 million in 2019, and $32 million from 2020 through 2022.

Price, one of top pitchers on the market with Zack Greinke, was ready to sign with the Cardinals, but then the final push began.

The Red Sox were also in negotiations with Greinke, according to a high-ranking team official who asked not to be identified due the sensitive nature of negotiations.

Greinke’s representative, Casey Close, told Red Sox president Dave Dombrowski that he wanted an answer by Tuesday night on whether the team would agree to Greinke's contract proposal. Greinke is also being courted by the Los Angeles Dodgers and San Francisco Giants.
Dombrowski, wanting to make sure that he would land one of the two pitchers, then went to Price's agent, Bo McKinnis, early Tuesday with an increased offer and said the Red Sox needed a decision from Price by Tuesday night.

The Cardinals were also in the hunt for Price, and offered him the richest contract in franchise history, a seven-year deal worth at least $30 million less than the Red Sox's offer. And the Chicago Cubs met with Price but never made a formal offer, according to the person directly involved in the negotiations.

Price’s deal, which is $2 million more than the Dodgers gave ace Clayton Kershaw in January 2014, easily dwarfs the largest deal for a pitcher in Red Sox history. The highest previous contract was a four-year, $82.5 million extension given to Rick Porcello in April.

Price, 18-5 with a 2.45 ERA last season, who finished second to Dallas Keuchel of the Houston Astros in the AL Cy Young voting, certainly has the credentials to be the highest-paid pitcher. He is a five-time All-Star and 2012 Cy Young winner, who has thrown 1,299⅓ innings the past six seasons, the fourth most in baseball. He joins a rotation that yielded a 4.39 ERA last season, the third highest in the AL.

Price, in reaching the deal, rejoins Dombrowski, who was president of the Detroit Tigers until he was fired in August. Dombrowski traded for Price from Tampa Bay in July 2014 and, in one of his his final moves with the Tigers, traded away Price to the Toronto Blue Jays a year later.

Price, a native of Murfreesboro, Tenn., was enamored with joining the Cardinals, who have reached the postseason the last five seasons, with two pennants and a World Series title. Yet, the Red Sox’s offer simply was too strong for him to refuse.

Now, unless he opts out of his contract or is traded, Price has a chance to become the first starting pitcher to spend his entire career in the American League in the DH era and reach the Hall of Fame.

And if he opts out, well, the Cardinals and Cubs will be there waiting again.

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BigRedChief Has a particular set of skills Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: On the water Casino cash: $-651038 VARSITY	Nightengale in today s USA Today newspaper: Why Price picked the Red Sox over the Cardinals http://www.usatoday.com/story/sports...nals/76630810/ David Price teed off Tuesday morning at a Wally Joyner’s charity golf tournament in Las Vegas believing he would be spending the next seven years pitching for the St. Louis Cardinals. By the time he left the event hosted by former major leaguer Wally Joyner in Las Vegas, Price had agreed to become a member of the Boston Red Sox with a deal that will make him the richest pitcher in history. Price has agreed to a seven-year, $217 million contract with the Red Sox, a person directly involved in the negotiations told USA TODAY Sports. The person spoke on condition of anonymity since the deal won’t become official until Price passes a physical Thursday evening. Price is expected to be introduced at a press conference on Friday in Boston. The contract, which was first reported by the Boston Globe, includes no deferred money, with an opt-out clause after the 2018 season. Price will be paid $30 million a year for the first three seasons, and will then receive annual salaries of $31 million in 2019, and $32 million from 2020 through 2022. Price, one of top pitchers on the market with Zack Greinke, was ready to sign with the Cardinals, but then the final push began. The Red Sox were also in negotiations with Greinke, according to a high-ranking team official who asked not to be identified due the sensitive nature of negotiations. Greinke’s representative, Casey Close, told Red Sox president Dave Dombrowski that he wanted an answer by Tuesday night on whether the team would agree to Greinke's contract proposal. Greinke is also being courted by the Los Angeles Dodgers and San Francisco Giants. Dombrowski, wanting to make sure that he would land one of the two pitchers, then went to Price's agent, Bo McKinnis, early Tuesday with an increased offer and said the Red Sox needed a decision from Price by Tuesday night. The Cardinals were also in the hunt for Price, and offered him the richest contract in franchise history, a seven-year deal worth at least $30 million less than the Red Sox's offer. And the Chicago Cubs met with Price but never made a formal offer, according to the person directly involved in the negotiations. Price’s deal, which is $2 million more than the Dodgers gave ace Clayton Kershaw in January 2014, easily dwarfs the largest deal for a pitcher in Red Sox history. The highest previous contract was a four-year, $82.5 million extension given to Rick Porcello in April. Price, 18-5 with a 2.45 ERA last season, who finished second to Dallas Keuchel of the Houston Astros in the AL Cy Young voting, certainly has the credentials to be the highest-paid pitcher. He is a five-time All-Star and 2012 Cy Young winner, who has thrown 1,299⅓ innings the past six seasons, the fourth most in baseball. He joins a rotation that yielded a 4.39 ERA last season, the third highest in the AL. Price, in reaching the deal, rejoins Dombrowski, who was president of the Detroit Tigers until he was fired in August. Dombrowski traded for Price from Tampa Bay in July 2014 and, in one of his his final moves with the Tigers, traded away Price to the Toronto Blue Jays a year later. Price, a native of Murfreesboro, Tenn., was enamored with joining the Cardinals, who have reached the postseason the last five seasons, with two pennants and a World Series title. Yet, the Red Sox’s offer simply was too strong for him to refuse. Now, unless he opts out of his contract or is traded, Price has a chance to become the first starting pitcher to spend his entire career in the American League in the DH era and reach the Hall of Fame. And if he opts out, well, the Cardinals and Cubs will be there waiting again. __________________ Mahomes is not a game manager. Release the Kraken.
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