Cardinals ***Official 2015 STL Cardinals Thread III.*** - Page 46

**BigRedChief** · 05:00 PM

2011 World Series Championship
2012 NLCS. One win from another WS appearance.
2013 World Series. Two wins from another World Series Championship
2014 NLCS. Three wins from another WS appearance
2015 Central Division title. Won 100 games. Lost in the NLDS.

Made the postseason 11 times in the last 15 seasons.
Only 1 losing season since 2000.
Reached the World Series 4 times since 2004 and won as many championships (two) the past eight seasons as it did from 1965 to 2005.
Made the NLCS 9 times including the last 4 years 2011-2014
Three million attendance? Take it to the bank.
65 post season wins since 2004. 22+ wins more than any other team.

**BigRedChief** · 12-02-2015, 10:07 AM

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Originally Posted by O.city

So no more Tony Cruz? I'm sad

Interesting that he was traded to the Royals. Wonder if they want him to give Sal the info on how Yadi went about his business.

ST. LOUIS • In a trade that was as much about finding Tony Cruz an opportunity as it was to get a return on their long-time backup catcher, the Cardinals sent Cruz to Kansas City on Wednesday morning for a teenage infielder.

The Cardinals acquired Jose Martinez, a 19-year-old Venezuelan who spent this past season in short-season rookie ball with the Royals.

Cruz goes from backing one catcher who rarely takes a day off to another, Salvador Perez, who openly talks about emulating Yadier Molina's game. They each won a Gold Glove Award this past season.

Martinez hit .246 with a .296 slugging percentage in 63 games of rookie ball.

'Hamas' Jenkins · 12-02-2015, 10:15 AM

Dombrowski is going to be paying $52 million/year to Price and Porcello. That is insane.

**BigRedChief** · 12-02-2015, 10:17 AM

Whats with all the 3 years escape clauses? Why are teams handing these out to everyone?

If he turns our to be a dud, your on the hook for the whole enchilada. But, if he outperforms the contract, you are out of luck and he cashes in again,

'Hamas' Jenkins · 12-02-2015, 10:30 AM

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Originally Posted by BigRedChief

Whats with all the 3 years escape clauses? Why are teams handing these out to everyone?

If he turns our to be a dud, your on the hook for the whole enchilada. But, if he outperforms the contract, you are out of luck and he cashes in again,

Because the players want them, and in FA they have the leverage.

**BigRedChief** · 12-02-2015, 10:56 AM

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Originally Posted by 'Hamas' Jenkins

Because the players want them, and in FA they have the leverage.

I get that for Grienke/Price level but for Upton? Kazmir? Kennedy?

Rosenthal was on MLB saying this will be the standard contract from now on.

DJ's left nut · 12-02-2015, 11:09 AM

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Originally Posted by BigRedChief

I get that for Grienke/Price level but for Upton? Kazmir? Kennedy?

Rosenthal was on MLB saying this will be the standard contract from now on.

It will be for any player that has the ability to demand it, yes.

Boras first did it with that !@#$ing Drew contract and honestly, it's taken even longer than I'd worried it would for that to become commonplace.

Truth be told, those deals would almost always keep me out of the market except in very rare cases. They take virtually all of the upside out of a long term deal for the team.

Elvis Andrus is the best example of why those contracts are insane. The deal Andrus signed had nothing but downside for the Rangers from the moment it was signed. Now they're stuck with him.

Prison Bitch · 12-02-2015, 11:19 AM

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Originally Posted by BigRedChief

Interesting that he was traded to the Royals. Wonder if they want him to give Sal the info on how Yadi went about his business.

That's gotta be it.

Mother****erJones · 12-02-2015, 12:10 PM

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Originally Posted by BigRedChief

But.....But....it's 22 Million more! Thats all they see. Not, I can be in a happier place and still have $185 million in generational changing money for his family.

I've seen reports that he wants to go back to NY. What a dumbass for going all the way to Seattle. I get the ass ton of extra money, but these guys are also competitive. NY got lucky there

Mother****erJones · 12-02-2015, 12:11 PM

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Originally Posted by 'Hamas' Jenkins

Dombrowski is going to be paying $52 million/year to Price and Porcello. That is insane.

It's hilarious. These crazy deal just shoot Chris Sale and Jose Quintana's trade value up.

**BigRedChief** · 12-02-2015, 02:44 PM

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Originally Posted by Mother****erJones

It's hilarious. These crazy deal just shoot Chris Sale and Jose Quintana's trade value up.

yeah, all this money being made by MLB has to also flow down to the players. This is just the new deal with money. Where Holliday got $17 million/7 years in 2009 is now $25 million/7 years.

If Grienke got Cain/Escobar then Sale should get that much or more. Be a quick way to get long term building blocks for your Sox.

**BigRedChief** · 12-02-2015, 05:53 PM

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Originally Posted by Mother****erJones

Funny, Price will be making more money than Abreu, Sale and Quintana for us. That's a shitload of deal.

Now info coming out from many different places that the Cardinals offer had a lot of deferred money in the deal. Boston's had none.

Mother****erJones · 12-02-2015, 06:52 PM

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Originally Posted by BigRedChief

Now info coming out from many different places that the Cardinals offer had a lot of deferred money in the deal. Boston's had none.

IMO it always works out well for STL. Ya may not always win a WS but you're always good. I've always wanted the sox to model themselves after STL. I want a personnel guy from STL along with our GM Hahn who has done a decent job rebuilding us. Shit just doesn't go our way lol. We get Melky, he sucks, we get LaRoche and he sucks. We get Samardzija and he's the worst pitcher in baseball. Adam Dunn a few years ago and he hits under .200 and 11 HRs.

Some questions I have about STL:
Matt Adams. I've seen some Sox fans that wana swap LaRoche for him. Now I don't know what the value of Adams. But it was a curious idea.

How is my boy Yaddy doing? I've always love Yadier Molina since he first came in the league, he and CarGo are my favorite non White Sox players.

How healthy is Matt Holiday going to be for this season?

Thanks

Mother****erJones · 12-02-2015, 06:56 PM

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Originally Posted by BigRedChief

yeah, all this money being made by MLB has to also flow down to the players. This is just the new deal with money. Where Holliday got $17 million/7 years in 2009 is now $25 million/7 years.

If Grienke got Cain/Escobar then Sale should get that much or more. Be a quick way to get long term building blocks for your Sox.

Ya Sales value is just crazy because of his age, contract and play. Put him on a contender and he wins a Cy Young.

Jose Quintana is intriguing. Nabbed him from NYY off waivers a few years ago and now one of the most underrated pitchers in baseball. He's had like 30+ no decisions since joining the White Sox. In his first 8 losses last year he had run support games of 1 0 1 1 1 0 0 1 That's just awful for the guy lol.

**BigRedChief** · 12-02-2015, 07:05 PM

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Originally Posted by Mother****erJones

Some questions I have about STL:
Matt Adams. I've seen some Sox fans that wana swap LaRoche for him. Now I don't know what the value of Adams. But it was a curious idea.

How is my boy Yaddy doing? I've always love Yadier Molina since he first came in the league, he and CarGo are my favorite non White Sox players.

How healthy is Matt Holiday going to be for this season?

Thanks

Most Cardinal fans want to move on from Adams.

Yadi is showing his age. He doesn't get to balls he use to get to. Still better than most but not other worldly anymore. His hitting is down. He still makes a huge difference in games because of the way he calls a game and manages the pitchers.

Holliday should physically be fine. But, he is also starting to show his age.

Mother****erJones · 12-02-2015, 07:15 PM

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Originally Posted by 'Hamas' Jenkins

Dombrowski is going to be paying $52 million/year to Price and Porcello. That is insane.

Dombrowski will blow through that farm quicker than a crackhead goes through their fix.

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