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Old 10-12-2015, 08:54 PM  
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***Official 2015 STL Cardinals Thread III.***
2011 World Series Championship
2012 NLCS. One win from another WS appearance.
2013 World Series. Two wins from another World Series Championship
2014 NLCS. Three wins from another WS appearance
2015 Central Division title. Won 100 games. Lost in the NLDS.

  • Made the postseason 11 times in the last 15 seasons.
  • Only 1 losing season since 2000.
  • Reached the World Series 4 times since 2004 and won as many championships (two) the past eight seasons as it did from 1965 to 2005.
  • Made the NLCS 9 times including the last 4 years 2011-2014
  • Three million attendance? Take it to the bank.
  • 65 post season wins since 2004. 22+ wins more than any other team.
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Old 12-19-2015, 11:54 AM   #1036
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So odorizzi isn't the caliber of miller, but we should look at that trade in terms of prospects?
The Cards dont have those prospects. Piscotty isn't even that prospect and he's the most valuable young bat you have.
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He said "valuable." Adams isnt going to bring back a young pitcher with 4 more years of control.
No shit, what kind of value does Adam have? A bucket of balls?
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I'd rather have Leake myself, but it doesn't seem like it's taking the prospects it was assumed it would to get guys, which I'm guessing depends on the contract of said player etc.

You'd have to have a comparable trade to see what it might cost
We need to buy some talent. Not trade what we have already.
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We don't have anything is the problem
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We don't have anything is the problem
Correct. Which is why we need to buy this year.
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Rumor/Twitter has us and the Dodgers as the finalists for Leake. Most stated #'s are 5 years/$75 million.

Don't we have to give up a draft pick to get him?
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Old 12-22-2015, 12:28 AM   #1043
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Rumor/Twitter has us and the Dodgers as the finalists for Leake. Most stated #'s are 5 years/$75 million.

Don't we have to give up a draft pick to get him?
No pick for Leake since he was traded during the season.
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No pick for Leake since he was traded during the season.
Seems that Cardinal fans think we could get Cargo from Colorado for Adams and Gonzalez. That seems cheap from my view but maybe Cargo's numbers outside of Colorado is pushing down his trade value?
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Seems that Cardinal fans think we could get Cargo from Colorado for Adams and Gonzalez. That seems cheap from my view but maybe Cargo's numbers outside of Colorado is pushing down his trade value?
His home/road splits combined with injury history are pretty scary and seems like his running game may have dried up. Also gets paid some serious money the next two years (I think around $40M) which I don't mind as much due to the length but less interesting when combined with giving up good assets.
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His home/road splits combined with injury history are pretty scary and seems like his running game may have dried up. Also gets paid some serious money the next two years (I think around $40M) which I don't mind as much due to the length but less interesting when combined with giving up good assets.
I have given up on Adams. Gonzalez is at best a #4 starter. That does have value if his shoulder doesn't keep him from his potential.

I don't care about the money. We have plenty. With Piscotty moving to 1B, he would basically be replacing Moss/Adams at 1B in the batting order. Thats a pretty low bar for him to raise
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I have given up on Adams. Gonzalez is at best a #4 starter. That does have value if his shoulder doesn't keep him from his potential.

I don't care about the money. We have plenty. With Piscotty moving to 1B, he would basically be replacing Moss/Adams at 1B in the batting order. Thats a pretty low bar for him to raise

A #4 starter might be pretty valuable. If Gonzalez is for us who he is on the road, then we're better off standing pat than giving up players.

The solution that is out there is so obvious, but Mo won't do it for some stupid reason. Sign Justin Upton.
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Rumor/Twitter has us and the Dodgers as the finalists for Leake. Most stated #'s are 5 years/$75 million.

Don't we have to give up a draft pick to get him?
Congrats, Dodgers, on your new pitcher.
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Sign Justin Upton.
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