The Super Bowl was rigged...

[B2chiefsfan]

That is all...

[Toby Waller]

Originally Posted by Amnorix

So all of the sports are manipulated, because we have the Celtics, Lakers, Yankees, Dodgers, Canadiens, etc.

And yet somehow nobody has ratted all of this out. AMAZING!

not amazing,Its just Money and power.

you know tv is fake but you still watch. You know politions lie (all of them)
but you still waste time voting for one.

[rabblerouser]

Originally Posted by vailpass

I'm giving you conspiracy loons the benefit of the doubt by thinking 90 percent of this shithouse rat craziness would go away if KC wins a Superbowl.

Kansas City will never win a Super Bowl.

[rabblerouser]

Originally Posted by smellypitts

not amazing,Its just Money and power.

you know tv is fake but you still watch. You know politions lie (all of them)
but you still waste time voting for one.

See post #427

[Toby Waller]

Originally Posted by rabblerouser

How dare you talk about the Patriots that way??

I was talking about Denver but both apply

dynasties are just story lines. no team can win that consistently in the real world changing personnel that often.

yeah right,its a copy cat league but somehow the Pats keep figuring it all out?
15 years? lol no

[Amnorix]

Originally Posted by rabblerouser

I don't know about NHL, MLB, or NBA, but Bubba Smith, Ray Lewis, and Terrell Suggs have all admitted knowledge that the NFL fixes games, as have the NFL's own attorneys, in federal court.

See post #427 - are you reading this thread, or just making random posts??

errr...no. Several players, whose opinions are overvalued because they were excellent players, speculated that the NFL fixes games.

The NFL's attorneys have NOT admitted that the NFL fixes games. Not even remotely close. What the NFL attorneys argued was that they should be considered a single, collective, unit for marketing and apparel sale purposes, rather than 32 separate teams, and therefore exempt from antitrust law. This is a narrow argument crafted by lawyers to skate through a potential problem. It is hardly an admission that the NFL fixes games.

[Amnorix]

Originally Posted by smellypitts

I was talking about Denver but both apply

dynasties are just story lines. no team can win that consistently in the real world changing personnel that often.

yeah right,its a copy cat league but somehow the Pats keep figuring it all out?
15 years? lol no

Yeah, it's REALLY incredibly amazing that they have been winning this long. TOTALLY UNFATHOMABLE.

I mean, HOW the **** is it possible? I can't begin to imagine!!!

[rabblerouser]

Originally Posted by loochy

This argument never made sense to me. You watch TV shows. Those are predetermined. As long as the viewer does not already know the outcome, how does it matter?

Exactly - they're still running, catching (kinda), throwing the ball, blocking (kinda), tackling (kinda)...they're still playing the game.

Kinda.

It's still compelling TV.

Kinda.

Compared to everything else...well, it's like everything else - it's not as good as it used to be. It's too WWE, too flashy and metro. They have made an effort to appeal to a mass audience, and in doing so, have become a homogenized version of itself...

[rabblerouser]

Originally Posted by Amnorix

Yeah, it's REALLY incredibly amazing that they have been winning this long. TOTALLY UNFATHOMABLE.

I mean, HOW the **** is it possible? I can't begin to imagine!!!

"Coach, how'd you get their defensive signals and audibles?? It's like you literally have their game plan..."

[Toby Waller]

Originally Posted by Amnorix

So all of the sports are manipulated, because we have the Celtics, Lakers, Yankees, Dodgers, Canadiens, etc.

And yet somehow nobody has ratted all of this out. AMAZING!

Lakers.. go to 15 finals in a 30 year period. Thats 1 every 2 years on average.
with basically 3 very different configurations of teams.

thats absurd. whats amazing is this dynasty didnt start happening till the Rams moved from LA to Anaheim and then St Louis. They made sure that major city was developing income . Notice now that the Lakers suck, the City and league are so lucky to have Clippers making the playoffs 3 years in a row into the second round..while being bought by who is now basically the top two wealthiest sports owner in the pro sports world = Ballmer

the other guy is the Seattle Seahawks owner

[rabblerouser]

Originally Posted by Amnorix

errr...no. Several players, whose opinions are overvalued because they were excellent players, speculated that the NFL fixes games.

I'm sure they all had plenty of ****ing proof.

But that doesn't matter - I posted that in response to someone else saying "how come no one has said anything, DERRRP??"

and I posted quotes of where, as you admit, several high profile NFL players have claimed that games were rigged. "Speculated"..."admitted"..."stated on the record"..."said"..."accused"...whatever words you want to use...

At least we all agree that they said it.

Originally Posted by Amnorix

The NFL's attorneys have NOT admitted that the NFL fixes games. Not even remotely close. What the NFL attorneys argued was that they should be considered a single, collective, unit for marketing and apparel sale purposes, rather than 32 separate teams, and therefore exempt from antitrust law. This is a narrow argument crafted by lawyers to skate through a potential problem. It is hardly an admission that the NFL fixes games.

You're speaking of the antitrust lawsuit - I'm speaking of the 'Spaygate' lawsuit (in all fairness, the NFL gets sued so often for so much shady shit, it's hard to keep track...)

The Spygate lawsuit

Carl Mayer is a New York Jets season ticket holder. He is also a lawyer. When it was discovered that the New England Patriots were videotaping their opponents’ coaching signals – a scandalous event later dubbed “Spygate” that shook the NFL in 2007 – it happened to come to light during a Jets-Patriots game.*

Mayer sued, seeking $185 million in damages on behalf of all Jets ticket holders. His claim was that due to the Patriots’ actions, the games between the two franchises were essentially rigged since Patriots Head Coach Bill Belichick took control of the team in 2000. In early 2010, the case reached*the U.S. 3rd Circuit Court of Appeals.*

In May 2010, the appeals court judges tossed the case. The Senior Judge of the three judge panel Robert E. Cowen wrote in his precendential opinion (which you can read here), “We do not condone the conduct on the part of the Patriots and the team's head coach, and we likewise refrain from assessing whether the NFL's sanctions (and its alleged destruction of the videotapes themselves) were otherwise appropriate.” But the reason why Cowen and the other judges decided against Mayer was because,*“At best, he [Mayer]*possessed nothing more than a contractual right to a seat from which to watch an NFL game between the Jets and the Patriots, and this right was clearly honored.”

Cowen went on to write,*"Mayer possessed either a license or, at best, a contractual right to enter Giants Stadium and to have a seat from which to watch a professional football game. In the clear language of the ticket stub,*‘[t]his ticket only grants entry into the stadium and a spectator seat for the specified NFL game.’*Mayer actually was allowed to enter the stadium and witnessed the ‘specified NFL game[s]’ between the Jets and Patriots. He thereby suffered*no cognizable injury to a legally protected right or interest.”*

He then concluded, "We do not condone the conduct on the part of the Patriots and the team’s head coach, and we likewise refrain from assessing whether the NFL’s sanctions (and its alleged destruction of the videotapes themselves) were otherwise appropriate. We further recognize that professional football, like other professional sports, is a multi-billion dollar business. In turn, ticket-holders and other fans may have legitimate issues with the manner in which they are treated….Significantly, our ruling also does not leave Mayer and other ticket-holders without any recourse. Instead, fans could speak out against the Patriots, their coach, and the NFL itself. In fact, they could even go so far as to refuse to purchase tickets or NFL-related merchandise….However, the one thing they*cannot*do is bring a legal action in a court of law. [emphasis in original].”

Mayer’s lawyer, Bruce Afran, disagreed. He believed consumer fraud had occurred. He said, “(The opinion) seems to suggest that no matter how much ticket holders pay, they can be defrauded by NFL teams. And it puts the NFL on the same level as professional wrestling.”

Because there is no law outside of the loose interpretation of fraud from preventing a league from fixing its own games, Afran’s conclusion is correct. One cannot fix a sporting event for gambling purposes; that is illegal. And one cannot fix an intellectual contest for entertainment purposes; that was made illegal after the quiz show scandal of the 1950s.*

But fix a sporting event for entertainment purposes?Completely legal.*

What’s worse, the lawyer representing the NFL, Shepard Goldfein, actually argued in court that “fans likely would buy tickets even if they knew the Patriots were stealing signals.” In other words, the NFL realizes that much like pro wrestling, even if fans knew the football was rigged, they still pay their money to see it.*

In March 2011, the Supreme Court refused to hear Mayer's appeal thereby affirming the lower court's findings.

As these two court cases prove, it is time to see the NFL in a completely different light. It is not a loosely organized group of teams fighting tooth-and-nail to beat their rivals. No, the NFL is a well-organized machine out to maximize its profits by doing everything within their power to make people consume their product: the games.*

…And that includes possibly allowing fixed games to occur because sucker fans would still pay to watch them play football.*

http://www.thefixisin.net/legal.html

[KChiefs1]

Originally Posted by KnowMo2724

Why did the NFL want John Elway and Peyton Manning to go out on top and not Dan Marino and Jim Kelly? What did Marino and Kelly do to make the NFL hate them?

I've often wondered what Marino did to the NFL. Kelly's is obvious by choosing the USFL over the NFL.

[Easy 6]

Originally Posted by Fish

Funny coming from you.....

And for the record, smartypants... a dizzying number of people HAVE ratted on that count

[Toby Waller]

Originally Posted by Amnorix

Yeah, it's REALLY incredibly amazing that they have been winning this long. TOTALLY UNFATHOMABLE.

I mean, HOW the **** is it possible? I can't begin to imagine!!!

what you are saying is you believe the story lines I just said were bogus.
no coach and no QB combined while every piece changes around them could win that much for 15 years. No ball coach and no QB are that innovative or that superior. Just 2 more dumb schlubs playing football.

isnt it amazing that both them and the Redsox have been doing so well the last decade?...and the Boston Bruins..and the Celtics owned the 80s..4 completely seperate sports and yet that region just keeps raking it in?

somehow the good sports fairy just keeps letting them get allll the mojo?

[rabblerouser]

Originally Posted by KChiefs1

I've often wondered what Marino did to the NFL. Kelly's is obvious by choosing the USFL over the NFL.

Marino was lucky he even went in the first round, after all the coke and whores talk made him drop...

He was also lucky he went to the Dolphins and Don Shula - who, after losing the 3rd SB that Bubba Smith claimed was rigged, went to South Beach where he won back to back titles, including the NFL's only perfect season. He went to the SB again in 1982, the year before he drafted Marino.

I think that Marino was a gift to Don Shula, a way for the NFL to pay back a good soldier - Shula got to pad his win statline for ten straight years without doing shit for it. One and done against the more established 49ers, and Marino got to be content with millions of dollars, and a HOF career with a coach who basically gave him absolutely no support whatsoever. It's like Shula retired in 86...

[Toby Waller]

Originally Posted by KChiefs1

I've often wondered what Marino did to the NFL. Kelly's is obvious by choosing the USFL over the NFL.

it had nothing to do with the USFL.

Reggie White, Doug Williams
Steve Young..kelly went to 4,who's complaining?




Marino didnt do anything. He just signed his contract and understood.