Chiefs Should NFL Players get Paid More? - Page 4

Couch-Potato · 05-03-2016, 09:26 AM

I was thinking about how little these guys make in comparison NBA and MLB and came across the below article. What do you guys think?

Giants receiver Odell Beckham thinks the $10.4 million he’s guaranteed over the first four years of his rookie contract is not enough.

“I think that we should make more money, personally,” Beckham told The Huffington Post when asked what he’d change about the NFL.

Beckham says NFL players should get paid more than baseball or basketball players because football is a more dangerous game.

“I understand that basketball plays 80-something games, baseball plays this many games, soccer plays that many games, but this is a sport where there’s more injuries. There’s more collisions. It’s not even a full-contact sport, I would call it a full-collision sport. You have people running who can run 20 miles per hour and they’re running downhill to hit you, and you’re running 18 miles per hour. That’s a car wreck. It’s just the career is shorter. There’s injuries that you have after you leave the game, brain injuries, whatever it is, nerve injuries.”

The truth, however, is that the danger inherent to a profession has little to do with the pay within that profession. According to the Bureau of Labor Statistics, logging is America’s most dangerous profession. If people were paid according to the risks associated with their jobs, lumberjacks would make more than NFL players. But that’s not how it works.

In reality, NFL players make less money than baseball and basketball players primarily because baseball and basketball have smaller rosters. The players’ percentage of the league’s revenue is similar in all three sports, but in the NFL that money is divided among a much larger pool of players — more than twice as many players as in Major League Baseball and more than four times as many players as in the National Basketball Association.

As a result, it’s unlikely that NFL players will ever make as much, on average, as MLB or NBA players. No matter how much Beckham thinks they should.

chiefzilla1501 · 05-03-2016, 01:28 PM

100% yes. It always amazes me that people hate football players making more money but are okay with owners making a gazillion dollars.

I believe in trusting the market. If an owner is willing to pay Jamaal Charles 75m, that'd how much he's worth. The fact that owners get to cap wages below market value, owners are getting one hell of a return on their investment.

While I'd love to bitch about them making more than me, I can be replaced tomorrow by a million other people and nobody is paying my employer $100 to watch me work

Mr. Laz · 05-03-2016, 01:31 PM

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Originally Posted by Amnorix

As much as CC is annoying gunt, he does have a point.

Baseball = skill
Golf = skill
soccer = conditioning
Basketball = athleticism
Football = Body size/durability, willingness to exchange pain for success

Different sports have a different primary category needed. Of course you need hand/eye coordination and athletic ability etc in all pro sports but the primary need is vastly different.

Amnorix · 05-03-2016, 01:31 PM

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Originally Posted by Mr. Laz

You know they are

Pats will do anything they can to push the rules, they love pissing the league off. The flaunt their cheating and dare the league to get enough concrete evidence to prove it.

Is there any wonder why the league wants to hammer that organization.

Mr. Laz · 05-03-2016, 01:32 PM

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Originally Posted by Rain Man

I haven't come up with a way to stop it, either. You could make the contracts more simple and transparent, but that would only address cheating within the system, not the stuff that happens outside it.

You could enact rules to keep teams from "hiring" former players to front-office positions after their playing days, but that doesn't seem quite fair since a lot of those guys are legitimately working.

Even if you had the league handle payrolls, you still couldn't stop the scenarios where Pat Bowlen gives Elway a suitcase of cash to pay for league minimum.

It's a huge problem, and it's why we see so few teams in AFC side of the Super Bowl over the past few decades. Cheating confers an advantage.

Salary cap for coaches/staff too?

Mr. Laz · 05-03-2016, 01:33 PM

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Originally Posted by Amnorix

Sorry dude, but you know it's true

Belichek revels in the anger and disdain of the league and fans. He loves saying "**** you, just try and stop me"

Amnorix · 05-03-2016, 01:35 PM

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Originally Posted by Mr. Laz

As much as CC is annoying gunt, he does have a point.

Baseball = skill
Golf = skill
soccer = conditioning
Basketball = athleticism
Football = Body size/durability, willingness to exchange pain for success

Different sports have a different primary category needed. Of course you need hand/eye coordination and athletic ability etc in all pro sports but the primary need is vastly different.

In what way does the skill of a pitcher differ from that of a quarterback? Except the "constant fear that a 300 pound monster is trying to kill you" thing that makes a QB's job a bit more difficult.

Sure, linemen don't need to do anything with the ball -- hit or throw or catch, but they need to win their battle in the trenches, which is far more than body size/durability and ability to withstand pain. If it was just that, it'd be a bunch of behemoths that can't run in there. Instead it's a combination of size plus leverage plus hand-fighting techniques, plus speed, plus alot of other things.

If you are seriously suggesting that golfers are better "athletes" than NFL players, then I don't really know what to tell you. Golf is barely a sport. Any "sport" that doesn't really require an ounce of sweat doesn't much qualify in my book.

Pasta Little Brioni · 05-03-2016, 01:36 PM

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Originally Posted by Amnorix

Oh come on and admit it you homer sumbitch

Graystoke · 05-03-2016, 01:38 PM

I don't know.
But you know what would be fun?
Every NFL Team has to start an everyday kind of dude, every play. You know, an office type of guy, 30-35 years old.
God that would be entertainment. Watching some pudgy dude on the field with Pros.
Pay him the big money because he isn't going to last the season, let alone walk again.

Mr. Laz · 05-03-2016, 01:40 PM

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Originally Posted by Amnorix

In what way does the skill of a pitcher differ from that of a quarterback? Except the "constant fear that a 300 pound monster is trying to kill you" thing that makes a QB's job a bit more difficult.

Sure, linemen don't need to do anything with the ball -- hit or throw or catch, but they need to win their battle in the trenches, which is far more than body size/durability and ability to withstand pain. If it was just that, it'd be a bunch of behemoths that can't run in there. Instead it's a combination of size plus leverage plus hand-fighting techniques, plus speed, plus alot of other things.

If you are seriously suggesting that golfers are better "athletes" than NFL players, then I don't really know what to tell you. Golf is barely a sport. Any "sport" that doesn't really require an ounce of sweat doesn't much qualify in my book.

WHAT are you talking about? Are you reading impaired?

I said golf was a skill ... not athletic.

Do you know what the word skill means?

Before you argue maybe you should read the dictionary.

Amnorix · 05-03-2016, 01:42 PM

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Originally Posted by Mr. Laz

Sorry dude, but you know it's true

Belichek revels in the anger and disdain of the league and fans. He loves saying "**** you, just try and stop me"

You don't actually understand him at all. He doesn't give a crap about the NFL. The "LEAGUE" itself -- and the stuffed shirts that run it -- corporate types not football men -- means nothing to him.

He wants to coach football and win games. If you asked him and he was willing to answer, then I think he'd admit Spygate was really stupid, but that other teams were doing it too and, more importantly, the rules change itself was stupid. What is the difference between taping team's signals and listening to audibles at the line on television from previous weeks to get an advantage on calls, or the MANY other tells that teams scout for all the time?

Whatever. He hates the league, and the league hates him. But you guys have turned that into the Patriots just constantly cheat in every way.

Sure, whatever makes you happy. But cap violations to further enrich a guy who is already disgustingly wealthy? Whose wife is even more wealthy? Seems more than a little silly.

Amnorix · 05-03-2016, 01:46 PM

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Originally Posted by Mr. Laz

WHAT are you talking about? Are you reading impaired?

I said golf was a skill ... not athletic.

Do you know what the word skill means?

Before you argue maybe you should read the dictionary.

Sure, golf is a skill. Not even sure what argument you're making though.

Whatever, let's throw it backt o CC. He said:

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Hitting a baseball and pitching takes more skill than football. Playing basketball is more athletic and more skills than football. Football is more dangerous, but for the most part it doesn't take the skill as baseball and basketball.

The only real answer to that is "so what"? Solving a rubiks cube in less than 10 seconds is a skill too, but unlikely to get you millions of dollars.

Mr. Laz · 05-03-2016, 01:49 PM

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Originally Posted by Amnorix

I am a naive homer, ignore my post about the New England Patriots because they are bullshit.

FYP

Amnorix · 05-03-2016, 01:51 PM

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Originally Posted by Pasta Giant Meatball

Oh come on and admit it you homer sumbitch

Admit that you hate the Patriots for their success? Sure, no problem.

Amnorix · 05-03-2016, 01:52 PM

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Originally Posted by Mr. Laz

FYP

Whatever makes you happy. Keep on hatin' on.

Pasta Little Brioni · 05-03-2016, 01:58 PM

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Originally Posted by Amnorix

Admit that you hate the Patriots for their success? Sure, no problem.

I don't acknowledge cheaters...welp sorry

05-03-2016, 09:26 AM
Couch-Potato Simmons @ 32 > Fisher @ 1 Join Date: Jan 2015 Casino cash: $243065	Should NFL Players get Paid More? I was thinking about how little these guys make in comparison NBA and MLB and came across the below article. What do you guys think? Giants receiver Odell Beckham thinks the $10.4 million he’s guaranteed over the first four years of his rookie contract is not enough. “I think that we should make more money, personally,” Beckham told The Huffington Post when asked what he’d change about the NFL. Beckham says NFL players should get paid more than baseball or basketball players because football is a more dangerous game. “I understand that basketball plays 80-something games, baseball plays this many games, soccer plays that many games, but this is a sport where there’s more injuries. There’s more collisions. It’s not even a full-contact sport, I would call it a full-collision sport. You have people running who can run 20 miles per hour and they’re running downhill to hit you, and you’re running 18 miles per hour. That’s a car wreck. It’s just the career is shorter. There’s injuries that you have after you leave the game, brain injuries, whatever it is, nerve injuries.” The truth, however, is that the danger inherent to a profession has little to do with the pay within that profession. According to the Bureau of Labor Statistics, logging is America’s most dangerous profession. If people were paid according to the risks associated with their jobs, lumberjacks would make more than NFL players. But that’s not how it works. In reality, NFL players make less money than baseball and basketball players primarily because baseball and basketball have smaller rosters. The players’ percentage of the league’s revenue is similar in all three sports, but in the NFL that money is divided among a much larger pool of players — more than twice as many players as in Major League Baseball and more than four times as many players as in the National Basketball Association. As a result, it’s unlikely that NFL players will ever make as much, on average, as MLB or NBA players. No matter how much Beckham thinks they should.
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chiefzilla1501 In Search of a Life Join Date: Aug 2008 Casino cash: $-1595503	100% yes. It always amazes me that people hate football players making more money but are okay with owners making a gazillion dollars. I believe in trusting the market. If an owner is willing to pay Jamaal Charles 75m, that'd how much he's worth. The fact that owners get to cap wages below market value, owners are getting one hell of a return on their investment. While I'd love to bitch about them making more than me, I can be replaced tomorrow by a million other people and nobody is paying my employer $100 to watch me work
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Graystoke MVP Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: Driftless Region Casino cash: $-2450000	I don't know. But you know what would be fun? Every NFL Team has to start an everyday kind of dude, every play. You know, an office type of guy, 30-35 years old. God that would be entertainment. Watching some pudgy dude on the field with Pros. Pay him the big money because he isn't going to last the season, let alone walk again.
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