Chiefs ****The Kevin Hogan Thread**** - Page 15

Dante84 · 05:26 PM

With the 162nd pick, in the 5th round

KChiefs1 · 05-09-2016, 09:38 PM

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Originally Posted by BossChief

Do you guys listen to Dan Patrick?

The guy loves Kevin Hogan and thinks he becomes KCs starter within the next 2 years.

He's probably one of the most "plugged in" guys in sports.

I don't share his view of Hogan, but I thought it was interesting to hear that and thought I'd share.

Is it in a podcast?

Chiefs=Champions · 05-09-2016, 10:11 PM

I actually really like Hogan. I think his game translates very well. He'll be the 3rd string this year and id give him a good chance to be a starter at some point. He has the intelligence and intangibles that Reid loves. I dont understand why people dont like him as a prospect.

Chiefshrink · 05-09-2016, 10:41 PM

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Originally Posted by hometeam

I have for years, described Phillip Rivers delivery as 'chunking'. He is the only QB in the league who 'chunks' a ball just like that.

I have also subscribed to the 'if it aint broke dont fix it' school of thought on QB arm mechanics.

After seeing this kid, I think we have a new chunker in town, and my god does it look terrible. I really want to stick with the if it aint broke dont fix it method, but this kid isnt chunkin that bill like Mr. Rivers. Hopefully they can find a happy medium between his natural throwing motion and something that doesnt look like my 8th grade QB.

Reid already told the media he is not changing anything about Hogan's delivery.

Chiefshrink · 05-09-2016, 10:44 PM

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Originally Posted by Chiefs=Good

I actually really like Hogan. I think his game translates very well. He'll be the 3rd string this year and id give him a good chance to be a starter at some point. He has the intelligence and intangibles that Reid loves. I dont understand why people dont like him as a prospect.

Because he wasn't "Geno overrated" coming into this draft.

**DaneMcCloud** · 05-09-2016, 10:45 PM

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Originally Posted by Chiefshrink

Reid already told the media he is not changing anything about Hogan's delivery.

Did he really? I think that's great.

Here's the deal: Only two things can happen when changing a QB's delivery and both are bad:

1. He can't change his delivery, which makes it worse
2. He can change his delivery, which makes it even worse.

If he's effective with his current delivery, and 3 Pac 12 titles and a Rose Bowl win are somewhat convincing, let it play out.

**hometeam** · 05-09-2016, 10:49 PM

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Originally Posted by Chiefshrink

Reid already told the media he is not changing anything about Hogan's delivery.

Im ok with that too.

I have many times ranted about leaving a guys delivery alone.

Chiefshrink · 05-09-2016, 10:50 PM

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Originally Posted by RealSNR

Barring injury, Aaron Murray is the heavy favorite for backup QB this coming offseason. Anybody who thinks it will be Hogan at this point without evidence in preseason workouts or reports is a dimwit.

What it took Murray in 2yrs to learn verbiage and the playbook of the WC offense Hogan is already familiar with and has performed it under center for almost 4yrs. I say they are actually even at this point if not Hogan being a little ahead because he has played under center in a WC environment.

Hogan will be our backup. Just watch.

Chiefshrink · 05-09-2016, 10:52 PM

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Originally Posted by hometeam

Im ok with that too.

I have many times ranted about leaving a guys delivery alone.

That's what Reid said as well. He was successful for 4 yrs at a high level. Leave him alone.

Chiefshrink · 05-09-2016, 10:54 PM

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Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud

Did he really? I think that's great.

Here's the deal: Only two things can happen when changing a QB's delivery and both are bad:

1. He can't change his delivery, which makes it worse
2. He can change his delivery, which makes it even worse.

If he's effective with his current delivery, and 3 Pac 12 titles and a Rose Bowl win are somewhat convincing, let it play out.

I do as well. Nothing wrong with unorthodox if you are successful doing it consistently.

Chiefshrink · 05-09-2016, 10:59 PM

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Originally Posted by RealSNR

I hate the Hogan pick.

He's Alex Smith without the arm talent.

Let that sink in for a minute.

Let's go back to 99 when Brady was drafted. He wasn't anything special coming out of Michigan. Average arm talent. Let that sink in for a minute as to what you would of said IF we would have drafted Brady in the 6th.

Chiefshrink · 05-09-2016, 11:04 PM

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Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud

Did he really? I think that's great.

Here's the deal: Only two things can happen when changing a QB's delivery and both are bad:

1. He can't change his delivery, which makes it worse
2. He can change his delivery, which makes it even worse.

If he's effective with his current delivery, and 3 Pac 12 titles and a Rose Bowl win are somewhat convincing, let it play out.

Reid say's he loves how Hogan can see windows before they open up, that his anticipation instincts are really good. You can't teach that. AS can't do it.

To your points 1 and 2 that I wholeheartedly agree with a perfect example would be Josh McDaniel changing Tebow's delivery in which Tebow actually got worse if that's possible.

**RealSNR** · 05-09-2016, 11:13 PM

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Originally Posted by Chiefshrink

What it took Murray in 2yrs to learn verbiage and the playbook of the WC offense Hogan is already familiar with and has performed it under center for almost 4yrs. I say they are actually even at this point if not Hogan being a little ahead because he has played under center in a WC environment.

Hogan will be our backup. Just watch.

You have no ****ing clue if it "took" Murray 2 years to learn the verbiage and playbook of the WC offense. He's been on the team for 2 years behind a player the Chiefs preferred to trust on the sidelines and in action because they wanted the best possible chance to win. Just like you have no clue how much verbiage is similar to the offense Hogan played in at Stanford. WC-like concepts are not the same thing as learning the new playbook, especially from college to pros. And what's this shit about Murray having to learn the playbook from scratch as a rookie but Hogan doesn't? Murray didn't play in a spread offense at Georgia, and there were many similar concepts from his Georgia offense to what Andy Reid runs.

Not saying Hogan can't be our backup, but it's really ****ing stupid to assume he'll get it right now just because of his resume, which isn't even that impressive compared to Murray's college resume.

**RealSNR** · 05-09-2016, 11:16 PM

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Originally Posted by Chiefshrink

Let's go back to 99 when Brady was drafted. He wasn't anything special coming out of Michigan. Average arm talent. Let that sink in for a minute as to what you would of said IF we would have drafted Brady in the 6th.

So now all late round QBs with average arm talent are Tom Brady?

Sheesh. And I was a guy who said Ricky Stanzi was good enough to be a mediocre starting QB better than Cassel.

Chiefshrink · 05-09-2016, 11:40 PM

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Originally Posted by RealSNR

which isn't even that impressive compared to Murray's college resume.

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Originally Posted by RealSNR

So now all late round QBs with average arm talent are Tom Brady?

Sheesh. And I was a guy who said Ricky Stanzi was good enough to be a mediocre starting QB better than Cassel.

Aaron,Ricky to Kevin ? Seriously ? 3 PAC titles and a Rosebowl. Resume is not impressive ?

All he did was win for 3 yrs accumulating more than 30 plus wins with over a 60% completion rate for all 3yrs with a 2 to 1 TD to Int ratio while under center in the WC offense.

I have a good psychiatrist I refer my patients to when their delusions start becoming psychotic. Would you like his number ???

**RealSNR** · 05-09-2016, 11:42 PM

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Originally Posted by Chiefshrink

Aaron,Ricky to Kevin ? Seriously ? 3 PAC titles and a Rosebowl. Resume is not impressive ?

All he did was win for 3 yrs accumulating more than 30 plus wins with a over a 60% completion rate for all 3yrs with a 2 to 1 TD to Int ratio while under center in the WC offense.

I have a good psychiatrist I refer my patients to when their delusions start becoming psychotic. Would you like his number ???

And Murray's college resume is a bunch of horse shit, right?

Tell me, did you believe that Tim Tebow was the next great NFL QB because he won games and had impressive stats in college? How about Ken Dorsey?

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