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Old 04-03-2016, 09:48 AM  
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*** Official 2016 Royals Repository, Version 1 ***



And so it begins: The Royals' second straight attempt to repeat as AL Champions, and first attempt to repeat as World Series champions.

In this thread, we'll track all non-gameday action. Roster moves, prospect news, etc.

I'll start the thread as usual, with division rivals thoughts. I still like KC to repeat as AL Central champs. Here's how I see the rest of it shaking out:

2) Indians - they have the pitching (and seem to have at least semi-Kluber-ed Cody Anderson, who added 3 mph to his fastball in the offseason). Will the offense hold up? I think this is a team that ends up looking a lot like the 2014 Royals. Francisco Lindor will solidify their IF defense over the full season, and is a help with the bat. I think this club is still a year away from really breaking through - the offense still has a lot of question marks - but I like them to nab a wildcard spot.

Key Player(s): Michael Brantley. When Brantley returns - and how he hits when he does - will be critical to the Indians' ability to be good enough on offense.

Jason Kipnis. Kipnis has been an enigmatic offensive performer for the past several years. If he finally has a good offensive campaign from start to finish, Cleveland could make real noise.

Something of interest to me: For all the acclaim the Twins' farm system gets, I look at the Indians young players, and would much rather have them. Brad Zimmer is going to be a very good all-around CF. Clint Frazier has huge power potential and should arrive soon (2017). Lindor is a young stud.

3) Tigers - Old and dependent on a few stars. If Verlander and Sanchez are healthy and effective, they will be playoff contenders. I'm sure JD Martinez will continue to hit roid-aided bombs. I'm also pretty sure Victor Martinez's days as a huge power threat are gone.

Key player: Justin Verlander. Detroit people would have you believe he figured out how to succeed without his big fastball in September of last year. If that's true, and he returns to dominant form, Detroit will likely contend again.

Something of interest to me: Will Jose Iglesias stay healthy and not try to kill teammates in the dugout? His defense makes the whole group much better.

4) Twins - They won't lead the division or be in playoff contention for as long this year, but Minnesota will avoid the cellar.

Key Player: Miguel Sano. Huge power, huge K rate. Can he continue to drive the ball and be a plus offensive player? Probably needs to cut that 35 percent K percentage to do so.

Something of interest to me: Will teams challenge Sano inside with hard stuff? Working away, away, just lets his power play up. Also - will Mike Berardino continue to be the biggest beat writer homer in MLB?

5) White Sox - still managed by a shitty manager who can't control his clubhouse (The blame for the LaRoche thing really should fall on him, not the GM). Still have a shitty overall defense and a lot of douchebags on the team. They will once again look better on paper than they actually perform.

Key player: Carlos Rodon. The White Sox need Rodon to take a big step forward to make an actual move this season. He's got the talent...

And, as always, here are the prospects.

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Old 06-17-2016, 09:51 PM   #2071
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Ability? Ability as a starting pitcher is determined about how you can change your style, locate pitches and confuse hitters, not just on what shows up on the radar gun.

He lacks a consistent secondary pitch, has fluctuated his velocity to become less effective, and has a $.10 brain.

At some point after a lot of work, it still might not happen. And no, you can't looks at the past 2 starts in this argument. If he doesn't figure it out through the entire second half, you have to think about alternatives.
I disagree, unless he keeps headhunting, I think he deserves until the end of 2017 to figure it out.

The dude was flat out fantastic in 2014 and in the entire second half of 2015. Plus he's put together some balla-*** starts in the 2014-2015 postseasons.
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Old 06-17-2016, 09:51 PM   #2072
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So, you criticize him yet are unhappy that he's not traded for a bounty?

Wha?
What?

I was originally just responding to Pitt Gorilla who said he didn't like the option of moving him to the pen or trading him. Which leaves you continuing to trot him out as a starting pitcher when he's been not great (outside of past few starts). At some point you cut your loses and move him to the pen or trade him for something. Trotting out a bad starting pitcher does nothing for anyone.
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Old 06-17-2016, 09:53 PM   #2073
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Ability? Ability as a starting pitcher is determined about how you can change your style, locate pitches and confuse hitters, not just on what shows up on the radar gun.

He lacks a consistent secondary pitch, has fluctuated his velocity to become less effective, and has a $.10 brain.

At some point after a lot of work, it still might not happen. And no, you can't looks at the past 2 starts in this argument. If he doesn't figure it out through the entire second half, you have to think about alternatives.
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Old 06-17-2016, 09:54 PM   #2074
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I disagree, unless he keeps headhunting, I think he deserves until the end of 2017 to figure it out.

The dude was flat out fantastic in 2014 and in the entire second half of 2015. Plus he's put together some balla-*** starts in the 2014-2015 postseason.
Not sure what your leash length is but if he has a disastrous second half, I don't see trotting him out there all 2017. I think we will learn the fate of Ventura through the rest of this season. He's looked good past two starts, which is good.
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Old 06-17-2016, 09:57 PM   #2075
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Not sure what your leash length is but if he has a disastrous second half, I don't see trotting him out there all 2017. I think we will learn the fate of Ventura through the rest of this season. He's looked good past two starts, which is good.
For sure, I'm talking about if he keeps his 2014-2015 numbers. He's pitched at around a 4.30 ERA since 2014, since 1985, we've never had a host of available pitchers who can best that.

Now if he completely regresses to 2015 Jeremy Guthrie numbers, then it's time to entertain a move to the pen.
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Old 06-17-2016, 09:58 PM   #2076
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What?

I was originally just responding to Pitt Gorilla who said he didn't like the option of moving him to the pen or trading him. Which leaves you continuing to trot him out as a starting pitcher when he's been not great (outside of past few starts). At some point you cut your loses and move him to the pen or trade him for something. Trotting out a bad starting pitcher does nothing for anyone.
The money move is to allow him to settle down, put in quality starts, then possibly move him.

Moving him at his lowest point is folly.
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Old 06-17-2016, 10:09 PM   #2077
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The money move is to allow him to settle down, put in quality starts, then possibly move him.

Moving him at his lowest point is folly.
I agree. I just think the leash length on that needs to be a bit shorter than what others are suggesting. And at what point does him pitching well mean you keep him, or trade him while he looks good? It's a tough call.
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Old 06-17-2016, 10:32 PM   #2078
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I agree. I just think the leash length on that needs to be a bit shorter than what others are suggesting. And at what point does him pitching well mean you keep him, or trade him while he looks good? It's a tough call.
Well, he can't be traded before the AS break. The return would be minimal.

Closer to the deadline would be best, IMO.
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Old 06-17-2016, 10:35 PM   #2079
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Well, he can't be traded before the AS break. The return would be minimal.

Closer to the deadline would be best, IMO.
Agreed.

Easily your best take of the night.

I have to go to bed now before you anger me further and I can't sleep tonight because of your posting in the other thread.
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Agreed.

Easily your best take of the night.

I have to go to bed now before you anger me further and I can't sleep tonight because of your posting in the other thread.
Oh, don't be coy, Lew, I'll always haunt your dreams.

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Interestingly, Beane did throw Moore some professional shade by saying something to the tune of "You don't expect players as talented as Manaea to be available for a half-season rental."

For a gentleman that traded away Addison Russell for Jeff SAMARDIAJIZZA and Jason Hammel, it was a heel thing to say.

Kiss the ring, Beane.
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Old 06-18-2016, 12:14 AM   #2082
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Too soon to be talking about getting rid of Morales. He had some good AB's, just rotten luck.

Hopefully last night's game gets him going.
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Old 06-18-2016, 12:58 AM   #2083
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Any chance he just hits right handed full time. His left handed swing is dogcrap
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Old 06-18-2016, 05:24 AM   #2084
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Any chance he just hits right handed full time. His left handed swing is dogcrap


I'd be surprised.

For his career, he's been a very even performer from both sides. More likely this is just a blip for him (or a sign that he's done, overall).

Re: trading Ventura, if he continues to pitch well, I doubt they move him. Would be unlikely to get the combination of upside and control they have with him in return.

IMO, he only gets moved if continues to be a roller coaster, or in the offseason if someone blows KC away with an offer.


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Old 06-18-2016, 07:57 AM   #2085
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Too soon to be talking about getting rid of Morales. He had some good AB's, just rotten luck.

Hopefully last night's game gets him going.

More concerned with Escobar. He is lucky Mondesi screwed up... there might have been a controversy later this year.
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