Who stood out in tonight's game?

[Deberg_1990]

Originally Posted by Smellway

tyreek hill hasnt dont shit this preseason.

How long until we get "Disappointed in Tyreek Hill" thread?

[Chiefshrink]

Originally Posted by Deberg_1990

How long until we get "Disappointed in Tyreek Hill" thread?

Our special teams return blocking has been very inconsistent and that's being generous. Give it time to get better. I don't care how fast and quick our return guy is, if we can't get 2-3 good initial blocks so that Hill can find the seam much quicker then it will be underwhelming for all our return guys. I won't give Hill a pass either and he is realizing just how fast this game is and he can't afford to dance too much but I will give him the benefit of the doubt at this point that his dancing is because he is not getting the initial good blocks to find and get to the seam quicker whether it's left,right or up the middle.

[milkman]

Originally Posted by Chiefshrink

Our special teams return blocking has been very inconsistent and that's being generous. Give it time to get better. I don't care how fast and quick our return guy is, if we can't get 2-3 good initial blocks so that Hill can find the seam much quicker then it will be underwhelming for all our return guys. I won't give Hill a pass either and he is realizing just how fast this game is and he can't afford to dance too much but I will give him the benefit of the doubt at this point that his dancing is because he is not getting the initial good blocks to find and get to the seam quicker whether it's left,right or up the middle.

I haven't seen any dancing from Hill.

[Chiefshrink]

About last night's game. I say reserve judgement on most of the issues we all saw because the majority of them can be worked out IMHO.

Like some of you said, we had several rookies taking No.1 snaps and they saw first hand just how athletically fast and hard hitting the NFL is at the starting level. Will our young 2ndary fold and let last night get in their head and quit competing like Cooper? Or will they take the Peters attitude ? The only thing I am sure of is Cooper is done IMHO. It's sad because he is athletically gifted but his psyche is shot to Mav's earlier point threads ago. Wait and see on our young 2ndary.

Milk makes a good point about Ehringer and Fulton and the differences. If there was anybody who got initiated the most last night about how athletically fast and hard hitting the NFL is at the starting level it was Ehringer. Will he get nastier with his psyche and weight training or will he fold ? His strength training will take awhile so hopefully by playoff time his strength has improved by at least 35-40% and his psyche is more "piss and vinegar". Again, wait and see.

Foles needs even more "wait and see" than anyone else IMHO. The guy has only been with us for a little of over 2 weeks with less reps than Alex to get a chemistry going with any of our WRs let alone what he has in our o-line and how to adjust to that ongoing work in progress. And there are more wrinkles to the offense since his Andy days. I assure you Foles will not be a typical backup QB in practice and will get more reps than your typical b/u QB IMHO.

IMHO 'holding on to the ball too long" and "missing high" at times are due more to getting used to his surroundings and what he is working with personnel wise(a la chemistry) than it is Foles hitting his ceiling. Again, wait and see.


One last thing I am definitely sure of is this, that Foles is faaaaaaar more comfortable standing in the pocket than Smith will ever be and why some of you said he held onto the ball too long. We are so used to Smith taking off immediately when his primary is covered that when we have a QB that actually likes to go through all of his progressions allowing other WRs to get open it seems foreign to us. Smith iHMO had PTSD return to him last night after his first successful drive because during that first successful drive he saw just how good LA's d-line was and how bad they made LDT and Ehringer look. And Smith for the rest of his time had that "Oh manure" mentality and it definitely showed in his play for his remaining series that he played.

With that being said, if our o-line does not progress to pristine performance for Alex he will have "happy feet" all year thus severely limiting our ball skill players from making plays relying on his legs racking up 65 to 85 yds rushing(how long before he gets hurt?). And this is not good with our defense being in severe "flux" right now because we will not be scoring near as much and will lose more games if our defense does not fully come together. Because Andy knows that Foles is more comfortable in the pocket and has a much deeper arm for Conley,Streater and Hill, he will have a decision to make. So my question at this point is will we have another similar Grbac vs Gannon situation on our hands by mid-season and how soon will there be a thread "at this point of the season, Smith or Foles"?.

Not trying to here either. I am dead serious IF our o-line, and overall defense do not improve IMHO Foles will be the better QB in the long run.

[chiefzilla1501]

Originally Posted by Chiefshrink

About last night's game. I say reserve judgement on most of the issues we all saw because the majority of them can be worked out IMHO.

Like some of you said, we had several rookies taking No.1 snaps and they saw first hand just how athletically fast and hard hitting the NFL is at the starting level. Will our young 2ndary fold and let last night get in their head and quit competing like Cooper? Or will they take the Peters attitude ? The only thing I am sure of is Cooper is done IMHO. It's sad because he is athletically gifted but his psyche is shot to Mav's earlier point threads ago. Wait and see on our young 2ndary.

Milk makes a good point about Ehringer and Fulton and the differences. If there was anybody who got initiated the most last night about how athletically fast and hard hitting the NFL is at the starting level it was Ehringer. Will he get nastier with his psyche and weight training or will he fold ? His strength training will take awhile so hopefully by playoff time his strength has improved by at least 35-40% and his psyche is more "piss and vinegar". Again, wait and see.

Foles needs even more "wait and see" than anyone else IMHO. The guy has only been with us for a little of over 2 weeks with less reps than Alex to get a chemistry going with any of our WRs let alone what he has in our o-line and how to adjust to that ongoing work in progress. And there are more wrinkles to the offense since his Andy days. I assure you Foles will not be a typical backup QB in practice and will get more reps than your typical b/u QB IMHO.

IMHO 'holding on to the ball too long" and "missing high" at times are due more to getting used to his surroundings and what he is working with personnel wise(a la chemistry) than it is Foles hitting his ceiling. Again, wait and see.


One last thing I am definitely sure of is this, that Foles is faaaaaaar more comfortable standing in the pocket than Smith will ever be and why some of you said he held onto the ball too long. We are so used to Smith taking off immediately when his primary is covered that when we have a QB that actually likes to go through all of his progressions allowing other WRs to get open it seems foreign to us. Smith iHMO had PTSD return to him last night after his first successful drive because during that first successful drive he saw just how good LA's d-line was and how bad they made LDT and Ehringer look. And Smith for the rest of his time had that "Oh manure" mentality and it definitely showed in his play for his remaining series that he played.

With that being said, if our o-line does not progress to pristine performance for Alex he will have "happy feet" all year thus severely limiting our ball skill players from making plays relying on his legs racking up 65 to 85 yds rushing(how long before he gets hurt?). And this is not good with our defense being in severe "flux" right now because we will not be scoring near as much and will lose more games if our defense does not fully come together. Because Andy knows that Foles is more comfortable in the pocket and has a much deeper arm for Conley,Streater and Hill, he will have a decision to make. So my question at this point is will we have another similar Grbac vs Gannon situation on our hands by mid-season and how soon will there be a thread "at this point of the season, Smith or Foles"?.

Not trying to here either. I am dead serious IF our o-line, and overall defense do not improve IMHO Foles will be the better QB in the long run.

I really disagree with you on Alex Smith. He had a bad second series, but the OL gave him really bad shit to work with. He was outstanding the rest of the night. And yes, I am often a critic of Alex. He is definitely going through his progressions. He's just going through them a million times faster than he did his first season with KC. He looks to be making much better reads pre-snap and looking off receivers very quickly. That's tremendous progress.

[Chiefshrink]

Originally Posted by chiefzilla1501

I really disagree with you on Alex Smith. He had a bad second series, but the OL gave him really bad shit to work with. He was outstanding the rest of the night. And yes, I am often a critic of Alex. He is definitely going through his progressions. He's just going through them a million times faster than he did his first season with KC. He looks to be making much better reads pre-snap and looking off receivers very quickly. That's tremendous progress.

Well, we will agree to disagree what is in bold. I agree with you Alex has progressed a great deal. I hope he succeeds even further as we all do. But my gut saw a huge red flag that said he was making his progressions too quickly if he was completing any of them at all from the 2nd series on and why I said (13/14 PTSD) reared it's ugly head last night. I hope not and I really mean that. Will Parker and LDT improve ? Will Fisher regress now that he got his big $$ ? No one really knows at this point and why I say wait and see. But if the o-line doesn't improve their pass blocking and the defense continues it's ways then........

[Mr. Laz]

Originally Posted by Deberg_1990

How long until we get "Disappointed in Tyreek Hill" thread?

Hill has looked quick and crisp.

He had a decent return last night.

Once we include him in the game plan i think he can replace DaT without much trouble. Charles/Hill to play the gadget role with Ware getting increased carries.

Instead of so many WR bubble screens, get the ball to Charles out there.