Chiefs release KeiVarae Russell

[DaneMcCloud]

Originally Posted by kccrow

Thus the word "seldom." You've just named 2 of about 10 in the NFL under 5'10".

And as mentioned, Antonio Brown is 5'10 and possibly the best WR in NFL.

Golden Tate, Jamison Crowder, Julian Edelman on and on and on.

[kccrow]

Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud

And as mentioned, Antonio Brown is 5'10 and possibly the best WR in NFL.

Golden Tate, Jamison Crowder, Julian Edelman on and on and on.

Lots 5'10" and over, that's the benchmark height. I said under. Under 5'10" there are very few in the history of the league to do extremely well. Under 5'10", right now, not many. TY Hilton, Edelman, Smith are a few.

[DaneMcCloud]

Originally Posted by kccrow

Lots 5'10" and over, that's the benchmark height. I said under. Under 5'10" there are very few in the history of the league to do extremely well. Under 5'10", right now, not many. TY Hilton, Edelman, Smith are a few.

Good grief, man, just stop.

Steve Smith was a monster in Carolina, Golden Tate's been a 1,000 yard receiver, Antonio Brown is lights out and on and on and on.

You're wrong. Give up.

[staylor26]

Originally Posted by kccrow

Lots 5'10" and over, that's the benchmark height. I said under. Under 5'10" there are very few in the history of the league to do extremely well. Under 5'10", right now, not many. TY Hilton, Edelman, Smith are a few.

The fact that an inch can be the difference between you believing/not believing in a WR, and you're willing to ignore the vertical, good size, and other traits because of it, makes your opinion pretty worthless IMO.

You're basically saying you also would've never touched any of those guys that HAVE made it for that ridiculous inch. You realize that, right?

[kccrow]

Originally Posted by staylor26

The fact that an inch can be the difference between you believing/not believing in a WR, and you're willing to ignore the vertical and good size because of it, makes your opinion pretty worthless IMO.

Go look at history. I didn't say I don't believe in him. Give me the top 100 receivers under 5'10" to ever go for ... oh lets say 750 yards in a season.

[staylor26]

Originally Posted by kccrow

Go look at history. I didn't say I don't believe in him. Give me the top 100 receivers under 5'10" to ever go for ... oh lets say 750 yards in a season.

Dude, there are several good ones in the NFL RIGHT NOW. You're talking like it's never been done before, or it's a once in a lifetime, or even generation thing. Just stop.

[kccrow]

Originally Posted by staylor26

Dude, there are several good ones in the NFL RIGHT NOW. You're talking like it's never been done before, or it's a once in a lifetime, or even generation thing. Just stop.

You don't pay attention. It is far less likely that a receiver UNDER 5'10" is successful in the NFL than he is successful, and there are very few UNDER 5'10" that have ever been. You are thinking of guys that are 5'10" or above and thinking "hey, they are." Antonio Brown is 5'10", not 5'8". Odell Beckham is 5'11", not 5'8". When I get back from the store, I'll make the list for you.

[CapsLockKey]

Originally Posted by kccrow

Go look at history. I didn't say I don't believe in him. Give me the top 100 receivers under 5'10" to ever go for ... oh lets say 750 yards in a season.

Sure if you go into the way back time machine tall receivers dominated, but more recent history shows speed and athleticism is redefining the position. Seeing a lot more Randall Cobbs and Desean Jacksons making an impact in the league. Elite speed is trumping height. The guys who have both are pretty rare.

[kccrow]

Originally Posted by CapsLockKey

Sure if you go into the way back time machine tall receivers dominated, but more recent history shows speed and athleticism is redefining the position. Seeing a lot more Randall Cobbs and Desean Jacksons making an impact in the league. Elite speed is trumping height. The guys who have both are pretty rare.

You read as well as the rest. I said UNDER 5'10". And I'm correct.

Receiver's under 5'10" rarely produce much in this league, they never have, and I'll use last year's stats to show that they don't.

Of the 193 receivers that caught a pass in 2015, only 19 were under 5'10" (that is 5'9" or shorter), or 9.8% of the league.

Of those 19, only one receiver posted over 700 yards, and that was TY Hilton (5'9") who came in 15th in the league with 69 catches for 1,124 yards and 5 TDs. The next closest was the ageless Steve Smith (5'9"), who posted 46 receptions for 670 yards and 3 TDs, good for 47th in the NFL.

Two more receivers would post 500 yard seasons in this club: Jamison Crowder (53rd, 59 rec. 604 yds, 2 TD) and Cole Beasley (58th, 52 rec. 536 yds, 5 TD).

Two would produce 400 yard seasons: Tavon Austin (72nd, 52 rec. 473 yds, 5 TD) and Albert Wilson (77th, 35 rec. 451 yds, 2 TD).

Only one would produce a 300 yards season, Lance Moore (91st, 29 rec. 337 yds, 4 TDs).

Two more would go over 200 yards on the season, Andrew Hawkins (99th, 27 rec. 276 yds, 0 TD) and Taylor Gabriel (105th, 28 rec. 241 yds, 0 TD)

Bruce Ellington, Jeremy Kerley, De'Anthony Thomas, and Wes Welker all would break 100 yards (woohoo!).

The remainder (Michael Campanaro, Marquise Goodwin, Lucky Whitehead, Mario Alford, Chandler Worthy, and Eric Weems) would all make statistically insignificant contributions (maxing out at 5 rec. for 35 yards).

So those of you that want to say that 5'10" should not be the benchmark can kiss my ****ing fat ass. Unless you consider a 3% chance of producing any significant yardage a good thing (and I'm being nice posting the cutoff at 400 yards for "significant.") It's hard enough for a guy under 5'10" just to make an NFL roster.

Edit:

For a bit more... here's some stats

Receivers by Height

% of NFL with a Reception 2015

Under 5'10" - 19/193 (9.8%)
5'10" - 20/193 (10.4%)
5'11" - 22/193 (11.4%)
6'0" - 37/193 (19.2%)
6'1" - 21/193 (10.9%)
6'2" - 32/193 (16.6%)
6'3" - 22/193 (11.4%)
6'4" - 12/193 (6.2%)
6'5" and Over 8/193 (4.1%)

Significant Contribution by Height (400+ Yards)

Under 5'10" - 6/19 (31.6%)
5'10" - 11/20 (55.0%)
5'11" - 9/22 (40.9%)
6'0" - 11/37 (29.7%)
6'1" - 11/21 (52.4%)
6'2" - 11/32 (34.4%)
6'3" - 13/22 (59.1%)
6'4" - 6/12 (50.0%)
6'5" and Over - 6/8 (75.0%)

Total Contributions by Height (81,606 total NFL yards)

Under 5'10" - 5,374 (6.6%)
5'10" - 11,281 (13.8%)
5'11" - 10,079 (12.4%)
6'0" - 10,730 (13.1%)
6'1" - 9,905 (12.1%)
6'2" - 10,518 (12.9%)
6'3" - 13,467 (16.5%)
6'4" - 5,970 (7.3%)
6'5" and Over - 4,282 (5.2%)


Your sweet spot really is 5'10" to 6'3", as we've known, forever.

[Mother****erJones]

Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud

And as mentioned, Antonio Brown is 5'10 and possibly the best WR in NFL.

Golden Tate, Jamison Crowder, Julian Edelman on and on and on.

What's Russell Wilson and Drew Brees?