Chiefs release KeiVarae Russell

[RunKC]

Rand Gettlin-I'm told the #Chiefs have released defensive back KeiVarae Russell. Special teams numbers game. Super talented player. Likely to be claimed.

WOW

[Hog's Gone Fishin]

Originally Posted by Smellway

This isn't trolling dude. The Bengals are really good and just a couple notches above KC. It's OK to have an opposite opinion.

So I have a simple question for you.

When the Chiefs play do you pull for them to win or do you root for them to lose.

[DaneMcCloud]

Originally Posted by DJ's left nut

As the core of this team continues to age, they have to backfill with cost-effective players in the middle rounds if they hope to keep their newer, younger core around on their second contracts.

Not that I disagree with your take but the Chiefs are the 3rd youngest team in the NFL.

They're likely to get younger before they get older.

[RunKC]

Originally Posted by DJ's left nut

It's not a good look, regardless of how you rationalize it.

That's a pretty high value asset just set ablaze. Whether it's poor scouting or whether it's worse personal evaluation isn't terribly relevant. There were some good players on the board there (as well as where they originally picked before the trade down left them with Russell as their highest ranked guy). Even if Russell never amounts to anything, you can bet someone they could've taken there would've.

It's a **** up. And when you start to shrug stuff like that off, it gets really cumulative, really quickly.

This had better be a one-off. Dorsey can't go torching assets like this with any frequency. As the core of this team continues to age, they have to backfill with cost-effective players in the middle rounds if they hope to keep their newer, younger core around on their second contracts.

And hey, we don't have to be mad at Roger Goodell anymore, right? Turns out 3rd rounders don't mean enough to get pissed off about if all anyone wants to do is high five Dorsey for shitcanning a 3rd round pick before his first day on the active roster. HIGH FIVE, DORSE!

Braxton Miller
Kyler Fackrell
Shilique Calhoun

Think we could have used one of these guys? I do.

[GloucesterChief]

Originally Posted by DJ's left nut

It's not a good look, regardless of how you rationalize it.

That's a pretty high value asset just set ablaze. Whether it's poor scouting or whether it's worse personal evaluation isn't terribly relevant. There were some good players on the board there (as well as where they originally picked before the trade down left them with Russell as their highest ranked guy). Even if Russell never amounts to anything, you can bet someone they could've taken there would've.

It's a **** up. And when you start to shrug stuff like that off, it gets really cumulative, really quickly.

This had better be a one-off. Dorsey can't go torching assets like this with any frequency. As the core of this team continues to age, they have to backfill with cost-effective players in the middle rounds if they hope to keep their newer, younger core around on their second contracts.

And hey, we don't have to be mad at Roger Goodell anymore, right? Turns out 3rd rounders don't mean enough to get pissed off about if all anyone wants to do is high five Dorsey for shitcanning a 3rd round pick before his first day on the active roster. HIGH FIVE, DORSE!

Draft picks are a limited resource yes. Roster spots are also a limited resource.

[DJ's left nut]

Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud

Not that I disagree with your take but the Chiefs are the 3rd youngest team in the NFL.

They're likely to get younger before they get older.

I thought it was 6th. Eh, close enough either way.

But as we've often noted around here, one of Dorsey's greatest strengths has been his ability to build young, effective, cheap depth. And yeah, he's found a couple of young foundational players in Kelce and probably Peters. But DJ and Hali are in dire need of replacement and Berry's probably not staying. Poe may not be worth what he's going to ask for as well. And while nobody will care for this opinion at all, Houston's best days are behind him, IMO. Lower body injuries add up and age gets to everyone.

We're not at critical mass by any means and one homerun draft could fix everything, but this stings a bit and regardless of how you want to spin it, this isn't an endorsement of Dorsey, it's an indictment.

Whatever led to this, it can't happen again. You can't have a pick in the top 75 that is so goddamn bad, either due to talent or attitude, that you can't even be bothered to red shirt him for a year with all the other 'who gives a shit' guys that don't dress out every week.

The fact that none of us have been able to come up with a single example of this in the last 10+ years speaks volumes. This just doesn't happen - it can't happen.

[DJ's left nut]

Originally Posted by GloucesterChief

Draft picks are a limited resource yes. Roster spots are also a limited resource.

So stop trading down and accumulating less valuable picks.

If he was that concerned about his roster spots, he should've been looking to move up to get better players in the middle rounds, not down to get more guys that he was just going to have to cut.

This doesn't seem terribly complicated.

[DaneMcCloud]

Originally Posted by DJ's left nut

The fact that none of us have been able to come up with a single example of this in the last 10+ years speaks volumes. This just doesn't happen - it can't happen.

While I agree, I wonder if Andy Reid's absence at The Combine had any effect on this decision, i.e., questions asked, personality conflicts, etc.?

That said, I don't see it as egregious an error that you do, mainly because Dorsey's hit on multiple 3rd rounders in the same year, such as Kelce & Davis, Nelson and Conley along with Phillip Gaines.

He'll most likely have two 3rd rounders in 2017 (Sean Smith), so he'll have an opportunity to rectify the 3rd round of the 2016 draft.

Plus, it appears that he hit on two of their 4th rounders in Ehinger and Murry, while Robinson has a chance to make an impact next year.

[CapsLockKey]

Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud

Well, that Arrowhead Pride article points out (which is essentially the same thing that DJ's Left Nut has been saying the past 24 hours), this is a weird decision considering the patience they have with DeMarcus Robinson and the Chiefs basic MO of drafting and developing players under Reid and Dorsey.

As I had stated weeks ago, if the Chiefs were a true "meritocracy", Russell and Robinson would be cut but as you, DJ and others pointed out, that just isn't a realistic expectation.

Yet, here we are, with Russell waived.

I would think that the fans, and especially the season ticket holders, have a right to know why Russell was cut.

I'm a STH and couldn't care less why he was cut. If this team was in rebuilding mode and having to rely on draft picks heavily to build the team I might be concerned. Chiefs have finally hit the point where their depth is good enough that good talent is going to hit the streets due to numbers. Especially with the number of picks Dorsey has been accumulating.

It could have come down to finances as they see no real difference in potential between him and White/Acker so they got rid of the bigger contract.

[staylor26]

Originally Posted by DJ's left nut

It's not a good look, regardless of how you rationalize it.

That's a pretty high value asset just set ablaze. Whether it's poor scouting or whether it's worse personal evaluation isn't terribly relevant. There were some good players on the board there (as well as where they originally picked before the trade down left them with Russell as their highest ranked guy). Even if Russell never amounts to anything, you can bet someone they could've taken there would've.

It's a **** up. And when you start to shrug stuff like that off, it gets really cumulative, really quickly.

This had better be a one-off. Dorsey can't go torching assets like this with any frequency. As the core of this team continues to age, they have to backfill with cost-effective players in the middle rounds if they hope to keep their newer, younger core around on their second contracts.

And hey, we don't have to be mad at Roger Goodell anymore, right? Turns out 3rd rounders don't mean enough to get pissed off about if all anyone wants to do is high five Dorsey for shitcanning a 3rd round pick before his first day on the active roster. HIGH FIVE, DORSE!

Not that what you're saying isn't right, but we still came out with a really talented class with a lot of promise, so I don't really give a **** at this point. It's over and done with. Jones, White, Hill, Murray, Nicholas, and Ehinger is still a class to be excited about, and Russelll wasn't going to make or break it after what we've seen up to this point.

Afted trade downs, we ended up with all change and no dollars, and lost two quarters (one before, one now), but I think we got so much value with our dimes and nickels, that I really don't give a shit, and I'm not going to nitpick Dorsey at this point when he continues to find talent.

Oh yea, one of those quarters bought us a top 10 talent too. He was just risky because he came out a year early. Early indications are we struck gold. Keep bitching just to bitch though. Don't know what we can do about it now.

[RunKC]

Originally Posted by DJ's left nut

I thought it was 6th. Eh, close enough either way.

But as we've often noted around here, one of Dorsey's greatest strengths has been his ability to build young, effective, cheap depth. And yeah, he's found a couple of young foundational players in Kelce and probably Peters. But DJ and Hali are in dire need of replacement and Berry's probably not staying. Poe may not be worth what he's going to ask for as well. And while nobody will care for this opinion at all, Houston's best days are behind him, IMO. Lower body injuries add up and age gets to everyone.

We're not at critical mass by any means and one homerun draft could fix everything, but this stings a bit and regardless of how you want to spin it, this isn't an endorsement of Dorsey, it's an indictment.

Whatever led to this, it can't happen again. You can't have a pick in the top 75 that is so goddamn bad, either due to talent or attitude, that you can't even be bothered to red shirt him for a year with all the other 'who gives a shit' guys that don't dress out every week.

The fact that none of us have been able to come up with a single example of this in the last 10+ years speaks volumes. This just doesn't happen - it can't happen.

These guys aren't proven by any means, but if Ford and Gaines continue to play like they did last weekend, we're having no issues.

We'll find out a lot this year from young guys. Ford, Conley, Gaines, Nelson, March, Murray, Jones. Lot of really young guys there.

[threebag]

Originally Posted by Hog Farmer

So I have a simple question for you.

When the Chiefs play do you pull for them to win or do you root for them to lose.

You already know the answers that you seek.

[Ming the Merciless]

Originally Posted by staylor26

Not that what you're saying isn't right, but we still came out with a really talented class with a little promise, so I don't really give a **** at this point.

He is right....and not giving a shit about bad moves and getting your pussy all swole up every time someone criticizes anythign the chiefs do is called homerboning.

[Ming the Merciless]

Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud

While I agree, I wonder if Andy Reid's absence at The Combine had any effect on this decision, i.e., questions asked, personality conflicts, etc.?

I bet youre right.

It had to be a personality conflict / work ethic kind of thing.

The work ethic is easier to have when youre starving...when you get paid mad loot, its easier to not hunger as much.

[Urc Burry]

If you get 2 long term starts then you had a draft class. If you get 3 then you killed it. We expect to get at least 2 out of this one. People expect to much out of the draft... Especially on a deep team

[DaneMcCloud]

Originally Posted by CapsLockKey

It could have come down to finances as they see no real difference in potential between him and White/Acker so they got rid of the bigger contract.

Acker's deal costs the Chiefs $150k more than Russell.

Acker: $600k
Russell: $450k