Chiefs Please define "sustainable" - Page 2

carlos3652 · 12-06-2016, 09:14 AM

I guess I don't know what sustainable means anymore because I read it and hear it all the time that what we do is not sustainable?

If we win 20 out of 24 games, how is the formula of mitigating mistakes, forcing turnovers and being super efficient in red zone defense not sustainable?

We are 3-0 against the Raiders and 3-0 vs the Chargers in that stretch. We are 2-0 vs the broncos with this formula...

our losses @ Patriots, @ Texans when they had JJ watt, @ Pitt, and at home vs the Bucs. All division leaders (or tied) and playoff teams. We are built to win the division and make a playoff push with this formula...

It works.

**wazu** · 12-06-2016, 09:37 AM

My definition of "sustainable" means it will result in post-season wins. Do that and I won't care how.

carlos3652 · 12-06-2016, 09:38 AM

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Originally Posted by smasher

even though we had Good Andy and Good Alex on Sunday, we lose if Ryan doesn't throw those two pick-scores.

The defense had just coughed up the likely game winning TD when berry got the pick-two.

We escaped with a win, which is great. But even playing a much better game on offense, we just did escape with that game.

I completely understand this, I also felt like the offense could drive and win this game had they gone for 1 point. We had to engineer 2 first downs to win this game, and if we needed a third - I was actually confident that we could get it...

Direckshun · 12-06-2016, 09:39 AM

Smasher's exact post is what exhausts me about the Alex/Andy haters who, in past seasons, were probably right. But this season they're just out of gas.

Guys like Smasher are arguing that we saw the REAL Chiefs last Sunday when the Falcons were between the 20s. But then the Fake Chiefs clocked in in the red zone on defense. That makes no sense.

They're arguing we saw the REAL Chiefs offense and the Fake Chiefs offense simultaneously. It's fake that Smith threw for 270, while simultaneously being real that the Chiefs offense scored only 20 points against a bad D. Or whatever.

It's just... not your year, guys. Normally you're right, Alex Smith is too limited to win and Andy is bad on Sundays. Normally you're right.

You're wrong this year.

**jjchieffan** · 12-06-2016, 09:42 AM

Here you go

sus·tain·a·ble
səˈstānəb(ə)l/
adjective
1.
able to be maintained at a certain rate or level.
"sustainable fusion reactions"
2.
able to be upheld or defended.
"sustainable definitions of good educational practice"

ThaVirus · 12-06-2016, 09:42 AM

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Originally Posted by Amnorix

You're wrong in the sense that the Patriots win like half their games by keeping the pressure on (by being mistake free) and letting the other guy implode.

The part of our winning formula's equation that many think isn't sustainable involves us feasting off of other team's mistakes. The Pats aren't likely to make the types of mistakes a Hoyer-led team is. Do you understand?

carlos3652 · 12-06-2016, 09:49 AM

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Originally Posted by ThaVirus

The part of our winning formula's equation that many think isn't sustainable involves us feasting off of other team's mistakes. The Pats aren't likely to make the types of mistakes a Hoyer-led team is. Do you understand?

Are you calling Andrew Luck, Cam Newton, Dree Bree's, Carr, Matty Ice Hoyer level? We are 5-0 against that list winning 4 of those on the road.

Pasta Little Brioni · 12-06-2016, 09:53 AM

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Originally Posted by ThaVirus

The part of our winning formula's equation that many think isn't sustainable involves us feasting off of other team's mistakes. The Pats aren't likely to make the types of mistakes a Hoyer-led team is. Do you understand?

We had a punchers chance in Fixboro last year if Knile doesn't fumble. Tamba was also INCHES from a game tying pick off a fluke deflection catch on 3rd down that sealed the game. Miracle lucky bounce right to Edelman doesn't happen and who knows...

RunKC · 12-06-2016, 09:56 AM

Patriots-how can you win in NE when half of your team is hurt?
Texans-tons of mistakes
Pitt-dumpster fire
Bucs-key mistake by the QB

Those are the losses. Honestly I just want to be healthy in January for once. Get a bye and let's see what happens.

Sannyasi · 12-06-2016, 09:59 AM

You also don't really need "sustainable" in the playoffs, you need to get hot at the right time. You can tilt the game slightly in your favor by getting a bye and home field advantage, but its ultimately a crap shoot.

ThaVirus · 12-06-2016, 10:03 AM

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Originally Posted by carlos3652

Are you calling Andrew Luck, Cam Newton, Dree Bree's, Carr, Matty Ice Hoyer level? We are 5-0 against that list winning 4 of those on the road.

All of those guys are good and capable of lighting you up but not one of them has a good defense.

The issue with the Pats is that you've got to deal with Brady and then a top 5 scoring defensive unit.

Hydrae · 12-06-2016, 10:03 AM

The thing I have not heard talked about much is that when needed this offense has come through. See the 4th quarter in SD and the tying drive to send the Bronco game to OT.

Now if we could just convince Andy to do that from the start of a game and keep the foot on the gas pedal I think a lot of fans would feel more comfortable about our "sustainability" in the post season.

Sandy Vagina · 12-06-2016, 10:06 AM

What the Chiefs do is and will continue to be sustainable.

The argument is that their strategy is not sustainable against the best teams in the postseason.

The aspect missing from this discussion would be INJURIES.

What we know so far is.. losing your best players to injury.. not having them available to play against these playoff opponents.. makes this winning formula highly suspect. How could it not? I would imagine every team missing its best players would likely struggle against the best opponents in the postseason.

So no. The unsustainable talk is bullshit. It's just moving the goal posts a little further, while overlooking major injuries.

KC can and generally does win with their strategy. Injuries, and not often having a great plan B for how to adjust with such injuries are what hold this team back.

vailpass · 12-06-2016, 10:13 AM

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Originally Posted by Sandy Cheeks

Injuries, and not often having a great plan B for how to adjust with such injuries are what hold this team back.

That and a mediocre quarterback.

Eleazar · 12-06-2016, 10:21 AM

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Originally Posted by Direckshun

Ugh.

We literally beat both Super Bowl teams. In their houses.

Carolina, who was completely outclassed in the super bowl, is a shadow of what they were last year - and we needed our 6th or 7th crazy late game heroic to beat them.

Denver last year to Denver this year - yeah, that's a great comparison.

Chromatic · 12-06-2016, 10:25 AM

I'm not going to add to the conversation I just wanted an excuse to post this

12-06-2016, 09:14 AM
carlos3652 El Diablo Join Date: Dec 2004 Casino cash: $1786679	Please define "sustainable" I guess I don't know what sustainable means anymore because I read it and hear it all the time that what we do is not sustainable? If we win 20 out of 24 games, how is the formula of mitigating mistakes, forcing turnovers and being super efficient in red zone defense not sustainable? We are 3-0 against the Raiders and 3-0 vs the Chargers in that stretch. We are 2-0 vs the broncos with this formula... our losses @ Patriots, @ Texans when they had JJ watt, @ Pitt, and at home vs the Bucs. All division leaders (or tied) and playoff teams. We are built to win the division and make a playoff push with this formula... It works.
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12-06-2016, 09:37 AM	#16
wazu ... Join Date: May 2002 Location: Kansas City, MO Casino cash: $-1477705 VARSITY	My definition of "sustainable" means it will result in post-season wins. Do that and I won't care how.
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12-06-2016, 09:39 AM	#18
Direckshun __ Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Springpatch Casino cash: $2113447	Smasher's exact post is what exhausts me about the Alex/Andy haters who, in past seasons, were probably right. But this season they're just out of gas. Guys like Smasher are arguing that we saw the REAL Chiefs last Sunday when the Falcons were between the 20s. But then the Fake Chiefs clocked in in the red zone on defense. That makes no sense. They're arguing we saw the REAL Chiefs offense and the Fake Chiefs offense simultaneously. It's fake that Smith threw for 270, while simultaneously being real that the Chiefs offense scored only 20 points against a bad D. Or whatever. It's just... not your year, guys. Normally you're right, Alex Smith is too limited to win and Andy is bad on Sundays. Normally you're right. You're wrong this year.
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12-06-2016, 09:42 AM	#19
jjchieffan Supporter Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: Highlandville, MO Casino cash: $92248	Here you go sus·tain·a·ble səˈstānəb(ə)l/ adjective 1. able to be maintained at a certain rate or level. "sustainable fusion reactions" 2. able to be upheld or defended. "sustainable definitions of good educational practice" __________________ Genesis 1:1 In the beginning, God created the Heavens and the Earth. Following the historical accounts and the genealogy from that point on, the age of the Earth is approximately 6000-7000 years old. The Big Bullshit Theory is a lie. It and the evolution theory go against real science. Satan has used our public school system to brainwash everyone into believing these lies. Be not decieved.
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12-06-2016, 09:56 AM	#23
RunKC Andy Reid Supporter Join Date: Apr 2012 Casino cash: $-1420389	Patriots-how can you win in NE when half of your team is hurt? Texans-tons of mistakes Pitt-dumpster fire Bucs-key mistake by the QB Those are the losses. Honestly I just want to be healthy in January for once. Get a bye and let's see what happens. __________________ Mike Greenberg@Espngreeny I can’t fathom what it must be like to be a fan of the #Chiefs. Adopt a Chief: Jared Wiley
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12-06-2016, 09:59 AM	#24
Sannyasi Veteran Join Date: Jan 2010 Casino cash: $9963714	You also don't really need "sustainable" in the playoffs, you need to get hot at the right time. You can tilt the game slightly in your favor by getting a bye and home field advantage, but its ultimately a crap shoot.
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12-06-2016, 10:03 AM	#26
Hydrae MVP Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: Newport, Or Casino cash: $-973000	The thing I have not heard talked about much is that when needed this offense has come through. See the 4th quarter in SD and the tying drive to send the Bronco game to OT. Now if we could just convince Andy to do that from the start of a game and keep the foot on the gas pedal I think a lot of fans would feel more comfortable about our "sustainability" in the post season.
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12-06-2016, 10:25 AM	#30
Chromatic Veteran Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: Earth Casino cash: $10018551	I'm not going to add to the conversation I just wanted an excuse to post this
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