Please define "sustainable"

[carlos3652]

I guess I don't know what sustainable means anymore because I read it and hear it all the time that what we do is not sustainable?

If we win 20 out of 24 games, how is the formula of mitigating mistakes, forcing turnovers and being super efficient in red zone defense not sustainable?

We are 3-0 against the Raiders and 3-0 vs the Chargers in that stretch. We are 2-0 vs the broncos with this formula...

our losses @ Patriots, @ Texans when they had JJ watt, @ Pitt, and at home vs the Bucs. All division leaders (or tied) and playoff teams. We are built to win the division and make a playoff push with this formula...

It works.

[ThaVirus]

Originally Posted by jjchieffan

Marty's Chiefs were really good at it too. They led the league in turnover differential just about every year.

Well, yeah. Run-oriented offenses with QBs who weren't asked to do much but execute a conservative game plan week in and week out. That explains a high turnover differential.

I'm talking solely about takeaways. They seem to be much more fickle.

If anyone has the time to dig up those 90s Chiefs takeaway numbers then feel free..

[ThaVirus]

Originally Posted by Marcellus

Somebody needs to keep stats that differentiate between random turnovers and forced turnovers.

A muffed punt or bad QB Center exchange isn't the same as a pressure on the QB causing a shitty pass that gets picked or a defensive player ripping a ball out or a sack strip fumble.

Is Alex Smith less likely to turn the ball over than any other QB in football? Yes.

Are some turnovers random? Yea.

Are all of them? No freaking way.


Its not as cut and dry as saying turnovers are all chance etc...

Definitely. That would be awesome to see.

I don't think anyone is arguing your last point, by the way.

[O.city]

Recovering fumbles is mostly luck.

I'm not sure about interceptions.

Either way, it does get tougher to rely on turnovers in the olayoffs, but when you have elite players that generally cause them, I'm not sure how much tougher.

If it were sabby piscatellI leading us in picks or something, maybe. But this staff seems to push turnovers and taking the ball away.

Similar to Seattle but Seattle's d is much better in most other categories

[RunKC]

Houston, Tamba and Ford were big parts of creating turnovers. Unfortunately 2 of those guys were hurt and we STILL dropped INT's in NE.

[Mr. Laz]

You generally can't count on turnovers to consistently win games over an entire season.


Just like back in 2003(i think) under Dick Vermeil. We kept winning games because of Dante Hall touchdown returns etc.

Playoffs = toast

You can't count on special teams to win games consistently either.



at some point your offense and defense has to just line up and win.

Our offense right now doesn't score consistently
Our defense right now gives up a lot of yards (29th in league)

it's a risky and inconsistent way to win

[O.city]

Scoring defense is all that really matters there. Yards aren't really a good way to determine that.

The offense needs to score more points, but I feel like we're in year 4 of this regime and they're 41 and 22.

63 games in the nfl is a pretty good sample size

[Marcellus]

Originally Posted by Mr. Laz

You generally can't count on turnovers to consistently win games over an entire season.


Just like back in 2003(i think) under Dick Vermeil. We kept winning games because of Dante Hall touchdown returns etc.

Playoffs = toast

You can't count on special teams to win games consistently either.



at some point your offense and defense has to just line up and win.

Our offense right now doesn't score consistently
Our defense right now gives up a lot of yards (29th in league)

it's a risky and inconsistent way to win

You could easily argue we lost in the playoffs in 2003 because of a turnover so.......

[Mr. Laz]

Originally Posted by Marcellus

You could easily argue we lost in the playoffs in 2003 because of a turnover so.......

Typical Marcellus post

ignore the focal point, does his best to take a shot regardless of how irrelevant it is


sustainable
consistency
reliability

[Mr. Laz]

Originally Posted by O.city

Scoring defense is all that really matters there. Yards aren't really a good way to determine that.

The offense needs to score more points, but I feel like we're in year 4 of this regime and they're 41 and 22.

63 games in the nfl is a pretty good sample size

When your defense consistently allows long drives it changes the game in ways not in a stat box. It puts more pressure on your offense and it allows the other team's defense to rest.

Bend but don't break defenses tend to start breaking in the playoffs. Unless they are coupled with a proficient offense that forces the other team to start taking risks that lead to turnovers.

[Marcellus]

Originally Posted by Mr. Laz

Typical Marcellus post

ignore the focal point, does his best to take a shot regardless of how irrelevant it is


sustainable
consistency
reliability

Irrelevant? Losing the turnover battle is irrelevant to this discussion?

Wow. Ok.

[O.city]

Originally Posted by Mr. Laz

When your defense consistently allows long drives it changes the game in ways not in a stat box. It puts more pressure on your offense and it allows the other team's defense to rest.

Bend but don't break defenses tend to start breaking in the playoffs. Unless they are coupled with a proficient offense that forces the other team to start taking risks that lead to turnovers.

If you keep the opposing team from scoring, you're not putting pressure on your offense.

The Chiefs figure with the play makers they have, eventually teams are gonna be forced into a mistake.

[Mr. Laz]

Originally Posted by Marcellus

Irrelevant? Losing the turnover battle is irrelevant to this discussion?

Wow. Ok.

It's not just about winning the turnover battle, you ****ing tool.

It's about winning a game with a 2 pt conversion return.

It's about these wild,spectacular plays that you can't count on happening with any "consistency"

If we were scoring on offense and forcing a bunch of 3 and outs on defense nobody would be saying shit. We aren't.

We are hanging by a thread for most of the game and then pulling it out of our ass with big turnovers late.

That is almost never sustainable ... which is what the thread is about.

(countdown until marc tries to move the goalposts ....... 3 ... 2 ... )

[Fish]

Originally Posted by O.city

If you keep the opposing team from scoring, you're not putting pressure on your offense.

The Chiefs figure with the play makers they have, eventually teams are gonna be forced into a mistake.

The Chiefs defense is

#24 in Points/game
#24 in Total Points
#29 in Yds/game

Not exactly keeping the opposing team from scoring.

[-King-]

Originally Posted by ThaVirus

It sort of is, I think.

Think about that one year you mention. Why didn't we create so many turnovers in that particular season? You could say injury but did Devito, DJ and Berry account for that many turnovers in previous and subsequent seasons?

Teams seem to get hot and cold when it comes to forcing turnovers. The only team I can remember who really defied the odds and kept it up for more than a few seasons was Lovie's Bears in the mid-to-late 2000s.

Yes I do think the two defensive captains/leaders are a good reason we get so many turnovers. They put everyone where they need to be and by being the safety valves for the linebackers and secondary, they enable the rest of the players to be more aggressive.
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[Mr. Laz]

Originally Posted by O.city

If you keep the opposing team from scoring, you're not putting pressure on your offense.

The Chiefs figure with the play makers they have, eventually teams are gonna be forced into a mistake.

That certainly appears to be Reid's game plan.

Take no risks on offense, hope that eventually our defense makes a big play.

But as per thread OP topic, i don't think it's sustainable.


Andy Reid will have to open the offense up, as least as much as he did against the Falcons, or we're dead in the playoffs. He also better do it from now on so that our offense gets used to it.

In reality our playoffs are starting tomorrow.

coming up for us:
Raiders
Titans
Denver

All competing for "our" playoff spot.