2016-2017 NFL Coach/GM changes and hires

[Mosbonian]

Originally Posted by Mile High Mania

It will be interesting to see which new names appear as first time HC's... I think the Jags would be mistaken to lure Coughlin from retirement, the dude is 70.

McDaniels will find a new home and possibly do better the 2nd time around. Would be interesting to see him go to SF and trade for Jimmy G. Rams gig is interesting, but you're rebuilding without a first rounder this year and lots of issues.

Grab your popcorn.

The talking heads around here seems to favor trying to lure Jon Gruden out of retirement and if that doesn't work, go for either Todd Haley or Josh McDaniel.

I think Coughlin is their fallback position considering all the ties he has here to this town. Plus some believe his form of heavy handed coaching is what the Jags need to bring into line the different characters on the team.

[RippedmyFlesh]

Originally Posted by Mosbonian

The talking heads around here seems to favor trying to lure Jon Gruden out of retirement and if that doesn't work, go for either Todd Haley or Josh McDaniel.

I think Coughlin is their fallback position considering all the ties he has here to this town. Plus some believe his form of heavy handed coaching is what the Jags need to bring into line the different characters on the team.

Haley would provide that. I would like to see him get another shot.

[Mosbonian]

Originally Posted by RippedmyFlesh

Haley would provide that. I would like to see him get another shot.

I guess you see Haley differently than I do....he may have matured from a personality point of view, but I see him no differently than I and others see Wade Phillips......a great assistant coach but nowhere near Head Coach material.

[burt]

Originally Posted by Mosbonian

I guess you see Haley differently than I do....he may have matured from a personality point of view, but I see him no differently than I and others see Wade Phillips......a great assistant coach but nowhere near Head Coach material.

Perfectly said.

[RippedmyFlesh]

Originally Posted by Mosbonian

I guess you see Haley differently than I do....he may have matured from a personality point of view, but I see him no differently than I and others see Wade Phillips......a great assistant coach but nowhere near Head Coach material.

More a morbid curiosity than believing he would win. I will be interested to see how he does if he gets another shot.

[DJ's left nut]

Originally Posted by RippedmyFlesh

Haley would provide that. I would like to see him get another shot.

Likewise.

The lens of History (and the stank of Scott Pioli) puts a very different view of Haley's tenure here than there was in real-time.

In hindsight, Haley was a damn miracle worker. And while the weapons in Pittsburgh make a big difference, he's always been a good offensive mind.

I'm not sure if he's truly HC material; he may be too vested in playing with the offense and not enough in being an administrator but I think he's earned another look. After plowing through some rough patches with Ben, I think he's earned their trust and established that he can relate to players again.

I think he'd be among the better guys hired if given another shot and honestly, the Chargers seem like a nice spot for him.

[NWTF]

I could see Bill O'Brian immediately being on the hot seat for next year if Oakland goes in there with their 3rd string QB and somehow wins. I dont think they will but if they do that would have to be a huge punch to the gut to the Texans. This is kind of the perfect setup for them to finally get a playoff win. The Raiders arent playoff caliber now.

I dont think theyd fire him over it, but he will have to do more next year than just eeking out a shitty division for a one and done.

[Mosbonian]

Originally Posted by DJ's left nut

Likewise.

The lens of History (and the stank of Scott Pioli) puts a very different view of Haley's tenure here than there was in real-time.

In hindsight, Haley was a damn miracle worker. And while the weapons in Pittsburgh make a big difference, he's always been a good offensive mind.

I'm not sure if he's truly HC material; he may be too vested in playing with the offense and not enough in being an administrator but I think he's earned another look. After plowing through some rough patches with Ben, I think he's earned their trust and established that he can relate to players again.

I think he'd be among the better guys hired if given another shot and honestly, the Chargers seem like a nice spot for him.

I understand everyone wanting to give Haley the benefit of the doubt....partly because of Pioli and his stupidity. But you have to admit he didn't help himself with some of his inability to adapt during the game.

I see we agree on the fact that he is a great Offensive Coach....I just don't think he had a keen eye for the other side of the ball and how to adjust properly during the game.

[DJ's left nut]

Originally Posted by Mosbonian

I understand everyone wanting to give Haley the benefit of the doubt....partly because of Pioli and his stupidity. But you have to admit he didn't help himself with some of his inability to adapt during the game.

I see we agree on the fact that he is a great Offensive Coach....I just don't think he had a keen eye for the other side of the ball and how to adjust properly during the game.

Ability to adjust isn't innate; it's learned.

And as for 'keen eye for the other side of the ball' - who cares? There are very few coaches in the history of this league that were truly excellent on both sides of the ball; that's what coordinators are for.

Every coach has a particular skill-set with a set of strengths and weaknesses. Sure, Haley's will be on defense but so are Reid's. For me the question isn't whether or not he can run a defense, it's whether or not he can run an organization at large. Can he handle the personalities and responsibilities? Can he schedule workouts under the new CBA that are beneficial for his squad? Can he build a viable lockerroom culture? Big picture questions still exist for him but I think he's done some things to show that he should at least get a shot to answer them.

[Mosbonian]

Originally Posted by DJ's left nut

Ability to adjust isn't innate; it's learned.

And as for 'keen eye for the other side of the ball' - who cares? There are very few coaches in the history of this league that were truly excellent on both sides of the ball; that's what coordinators are for.

Every coach has a particular skill-set with a set of strengths and weaknesses. Sure, Haley's will be on defense but so are Reid's. For me the question isn't whether or not he can run a defense, it's whether or not he can run an organization at large. Can he handle the personalities and responsibilities? Can he schedule workouts under the new CBA that are beneficial for his squad? Can he build a viable lockerroom culture? Big picture questions still exist for him but I think he's done some things to show that he should at least get a shot to answer them.

I think my answer to all your questions would be a "not in my book".

I think Haley still has enough of an ego he might not listen to his Defensive Coordinator....I think he has trouble handling his own personality how is he going to handle someone else's.

Everyone is going to point to Jack Del Rio and say, he clearly resembles Todd Haley and look how good he is doing this time around. But it's also not hard to see that his fortunes have crumbled with Carr being hurt. (Yes, not many coaches would be able to weather losing your leader)

I completely understand people giving Haley a pass.....I guess i just am not one of them.

[Easy 6]

Originally Posted by DJ's left nut

Likewise.

The lens of History (and the stank of Scott Pioli) puts a very different view of Haley's tenure here than there was in real-time.

In hindsight, Haley was a damn miracle worker. And while the weapons in Pittsburgh make a big difference, he's always been a good offensive mind.

I'm not sure if he's truly HC material; he may be too vested in playing with the offense and not enough in being an administrator but I think he's earned another look. After plowing through some rough patches with Ben, I think he's earned their trust and established that he can relate to players again.

I think he'd be among the better guys hired if given another shot and honestly, the Chargers seem like a nice spot for him.

This

Haley should and will get another shot somewhere

He was stuck with a top 3 terrible GM and there wasnt a damn thing he could do about it