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Old 01-17-2017, 07:01 AM   #1
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I just don't get the Poe love?

What does he do well? He doesn't rush the passer and the Chiefs run D is crap.

To me he's a Jag.
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Originally Posted by Cassel's Reckoning:

Matt once made a very nice play in Seattle where he spun away from a pass rusher and hit Bowe off his back foot for a first down.

One of the best plays Matt has ever made.
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Old 01-17-2017, 07:47 AM   #2
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To me, it comes down to execution.

On paper we had better talent than those bundle of stickss. Obviously Big Rape is better than Alex but Alex doesn't turn it over and spreads it around to the playmakers. If which ours are better than theirs. If you look at the guys in paper, not in the game, we were better.

Bell is better than Ware.
Kelce is on par with Brown.
Macklin is way better than Coates
Conley is way better than whoever the **** is their #3.
Thy don't have anything close to what Hill brings to the table.
Harris is probably a wash with James
Schwartz and Fisher are better than their tackles.
Their interior OL is better but not by a lot. Most of that is Bells vision

Houston is better than Harrison
Poe is better than their NT
Our corners are far better
Our safeties are far better.

Colquitt is a better punter
Santos is probably a better kicker maybe a wash.

We were better than these sword swallowing assfaces.

So why did we lose? Look around the league, teams that won executed. Green Bay's guys dropped like 2 balls on 6 billion pass attempts. New England's guys never drop anything. ****ing Green Bay put a WR at RB and he didn't lose yards, didn't fumble and ran tough.

Green Bay and Atlanta have shit defenses. But they got the stops they needed. New England lined up guys that should be bagging groceries at every position and they always get the job done.

It comes down to execution. And our guys don't get it done.
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Old 01-17-2017, 10:02 AM   #3
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QB - 10/10

Smith IS the reason this football team has a ton of problems putting points on the scoreboard. He is captain check down, failing to look deep first and short second. He never pushes the envelope with any consistency to make defenses respect him nor the Chiefs' passing attack. Smith's eyes staying down field on a scramble involve from him to about 7 yards past the LOS. He is a liability. Andy Reid has always called plays that put receivers down the field, and anyone with a brain and two eyeballs can watch it happen regularly week-in and week-out. This offense is subpar because Alex Smith is subpar, and if you think otherwise you're a ****ing idiot (or is it your and idiot?). The problem for KC is that it is extremely doubtful they can draft a QB in 2017 that is a legitimate player for the future. However, there is little doubt that Nick Foles can operate this offense just as effectively as Alex does already and he at least shows the wherewithal to take shots down the field. Nick Foles frees up 10.75 million. Alex Smith frees up 9.70 million and would free up 13.3 million if designated as a June 1st cut. There is little difference as to what QB gets cut from a financial perspective, or perhaps traded. Smith may actually have more trade value at this point, given he's been the starter, so teams like the Jets, Browns, or Bills might be willing to make a deal. Either way, KC can only keep one of the two. Foles is 27 and could still have upside. Alex is 32 without any upside. I know which one I'd choose to roll with in 2017. With regards to the draft, you'd probably have to hope Kizer or Watson falls else you're probably looking squarely at a mid-round #2 type.

RB - 6/10

I'm not saying this is a "must have" type of need, but it's pretty close. Ware is clearly not a full-time feature back and West is nothing more than a complimentary 3rd and distance type of back. The Chiefs need a true bell-cow type, similar to what Jamaal Charles provided. And speaking of Charles, what will KC do? It's absolutely certain they cannot retain his 7 million salary for 2017. Either Charles restructures, or he gets cut and perhaps re-signed to a much lesser deal. I have a hard time envisioning Charles being much going forward to boot. KC needs a starting caliber back or at least one they can run in a heavy committee with Ware.


WR - 4/10

The top three receivers are set even if I think Maclin didn't earn his paycheck this year. The issue are with depth. Albert Wilson is a RFA, but I can't see him being tendered for 1.67 million. I'd bet that he'll hit free agency and the Chiefs may choose to re-sign him to a contract. He's not a terrible #4, even if he frustrates the hell out of me. Demarcus Robinson not seeing a snap all year is a major concern and DeAnthony Thomas has done nothing but become a backup returner. Those 4th through 6th slots definitely need competition, so I'd look for the Chiefs to take a receiver at some point in the draft even if it's day 3.

TE - 1/10

The only concern I have at TE is the lack of a solid #2 blocker. When the Chiefs get into goal and short yardage situations, it would be beneficial to have a better option. I don't see KC addressing this early, but a day 3 selection is certainly a possibility.

OT - 3/10

I have little faith in Jah Reid and have yet to see what Witzmann can offer. There are concerns about depth. The Chiefs don't have the league's best tackles, but they are wholy on par with the average and some of their issues could be better masked if the guards weren't getting their shit pushed in regularly. I'd love to see KC spend a pick on a guy that can play outside if needed, but compete for a starting guard position.

OG - 9/10

I am on the record saying the Chiefs have bad guard, and I stick by that assertion. While KC's guards are average pass protectors, they are atrocious run blockers and struggle with bigger, more physical lineman. The Chiefs must get better here if they want to be a better rushing team and give their QB's more time in the pocket. Watching Alex Smith this season, he had fewer opportunities to step up into the pocket than he should have and that's a problem. Not to mention the Chiefs ground game was not very good either, if not below average. If I were KC, I'd draft a guard early and one early on day 3. Simply must get stronger here. Feeney in the first is looking much more attractive to me now than ever.

OC - 2/10

Morse is a solid overall player inside, but he really needs to get stronger in the offseason. I don't like Fulton, he's big and slow and doesn't generate movement for his size. He can be upgraded, but I don't see the Chiefs necessarily pulling the trigger on a depth player here this season.

NT - 1/10 w/ Poe 7/10 w/o Poe

I think Poe's value to this defense is severely underestimated, and letting him walk would be an enormous mistake. Poe's ability to stack up the middle and generate pressure isn't easily found nor replaced. If Poe walks, moving Howard inside is logical, but not the long-term solution. KC would have to spend a very high pick here if they let Poe walk.

DE - 3/10 w/Poe, 7/10 w/o Poe

Howard, Bailey, and Jones provide an awesome rotation and Nunez-Roches really stepped up at the end of the year. I think KC needs to add a depth guy if Poe is retained, but that's about it. If Poe walks, and Howards slides over, Then I think KC needs to get extremely serious about finding Howards replacement, which could be very early in the draft. NT and DE kind of walk hand-in-hand this offseason, depending on what happens with Poe.

OLB - 6/10

Hali is toast. He may want to be back for one more season, but his body showed this year that he should hang them up. Dee Ford is not overly effective versus the run, but he's light years better than he's ever been in that regard. I like the development, but he's nowhere near consistent yet and he really dropped off the last third of the season. I think he hit a wall. Houston's inability to stay on the field of late is a huge red flag right now. Will he ever be back to 100%? Can he be that dominate player for the entire slate of games once again? Big questions for KC's best player. I really believe KC must find a solid all-around edge defender in this year's draft and that usually requires at least a 3rd round pick. I really like Barnett, Watt, and Dimick as those types of guys this year.

ILB - 7/10

I'm going to say I had little faith in Ramik Wilson, but he showed me alot the last third of the season. I think Wilson can be a player that you can keep as a starter, but he's not a big-time player. He's a complimentary linebacker. The Chiefs need a stud, and they really need that guy to be a stout run defender. This is the reason I have really hung my hat on Ohio State's Raekwon McMillan to this point, but there are certainly others that I really like in this draft. The Chiefs probably need to spend at least a day 2 pick to address this situation. They simply have to be better against the run in 2017. I have no faith that any of the remaining linebackers on the roster are starting material and I feel as though Derrick Johnson is done. It is damn near impossible for a player of Johnson's age to come back from two separate Achilles injuries and be even moderately effective.

CB - 1/10

Other than extending Mitchell, I don't have too many worries here. If Gaines can get healthy, ever, he's a far better slot option than Nelson and Nelson wasn't bad in the slot. This unit could be very strong. I think D.J. White flashed some ability, but he was just lost with the scheme and overall speed of the game early on. I think he's better next season and going forward. This group has really good potential to be incredibly strong. Maybe the Chiefs look for a depth guy here. The only way I see KC swinging early is if an absolute stud like Marshon Lattimore is staring him in the face at 27.

S - 1/10 w/ Berry & Sorensen, 5/10 w/ Berry w/o Sorensen, 7/10 w/o Berry nor Sorensen

I don't see the Chiefs letting Eric Berry go. He's a valuable leader and a good football player. Do I think Berry commands 9-11 million per given his production? No. Do I think its wise to pay what it takes because of his production and leadership? I think so, especially with the age and likely retirements of Hali and Johnson. If Berry isn't retained, then I think you have to go out and get another safety pretty early or bring in a vet. Sorensen has really developed well too, and I think he gets tendered. If not, then you have to look at a big need for that #3 safety. Murray was great on special teams, but we haven't seen him play in a role like Sorensen has taken on. So, while I don't see safety as a need due to the expectation the Chiefs retain both Berry and Sorensen, it could become a rather significant one if they aren't retained.

ST - 1/10 w/Santos, 3/10 w/o Santos

I don't really worry that much about this group. I'm of the opinion that you need to always find a good kicker. I think Santos is pretty solid and will be retained. I think you up this to a day 3 draft need if Santos isn't there. Punters are pretty easy to find and you very rarely see long snappers drafted.

And, to kind of finish up, need is not necessarily indicative of draft position nor does it always correlate with the strengths of the position groups in the draft.
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