Are We Looking at the Chiefs QB Situation Incorrectly

[Chief Roundup]

Originally Posted by Discuss Thrower

You're not going to get a 2018 first round pick for the 27th overall pick.

We would not from a team on the top of the 2cd but a team like the Eagles, Colts, Ravens that are in the middle of the 2cd round then yes we could.

[RealSNR]

Originally Posted by Chief Roundup

We would not from a team on the top of the 2cd but a team like the Eagles, Colts, Ravens that are in the middle of the 2cd round then yes we could.

There's too much unpredictability in that scenario.

The Broncos once traded a future 1st of theirs to Detroit so they could have Detroit's 2nd round pick and take some bust ass corner who sucked. I would take that deal in an instant were there a franchise idiotic enough to make that same mistake. I don't think there will be, however.

The problem with loading up on 2018 is you don't know if it will be enough and you don't know what you'll have. QB classes are tougher things to predict. 2004 was thought of as kind of an ordinary year, but it ended up being one of the most top-heavy QB classes of all time. A year out, 2013 was thought to be an even assemblage of QB talent, and it turned out to be AIDS soup.

Everybody saying, "2018 will be better" has no ****ing clue if it's going to be worth it. Or, you could get the opposite problem. 2012 was this amazing QB class too, but what you had was two damn good prospects get taken at 1 and 2, and then the rest of the QBs had huge issues (Tannehill, Weeden, and Assweiler were the next 3 off the board). If we get the draft ammo to trade up into the top 15 so we can draft the 3rd best QB, is he going to be a legit QB worth taking a shot on, or are we going to be better off trying to hunt for Russell Wilson in the 3rd round?

What we do know is that 2017 is a deep, deep, class, and pissing away these picks to get more draft ammo for the potential to trade up in a QB class that has the potential to better than this class is overthinking the draft to an absurd degree.

I'd rather take a guy with mechanical flaws like Mahomes and sit his ass on the bench for a couple years with just one pick than **** around with trades into next year when we have plenty of needs that this draft can AMPLY supply to us.

[SAUTO]

Originally Posted by RealSNR

There's too much unpredictability in that scenario.

The Broncos once traded a future 1st of theirs to Detroit so they could have Detroit's 2nd round pick and take some bust ass corner who sucked. I would take that deal in an instant were there a franchise idiotic enough to make that same mistake. I don't think there will be, however.

The problem with loading up on 2018 is you don't know if it will be enough and you don't know what you'll have. QB classes are tougher things to predict. 2004 was thought of as kind of an ordinary year, but it ended up being one of the most top-heavy QB classes of all time. A year out, 2013 was thought to be an even assemblage of QB talent, and it turned out to be AIDS soup.

Everybody saying, "2018 will be better" has no ****ing clue if it's going to be worth it. Or, you could get the opposite problem. 2012 was this amazing QB class too, but what you had was two damn good prospects get taken at 1 and 2, and then the rest of the QBs had huge issues (Tannehill, Weeden, and Assweiler were the next 3 off the board). If we get the draft ammo to trade up into the top 15 so we can draft the 3rd best QB, is he going to be a legit QB worth taking a shot on, or are we going to be better off trying to hunt for Russell Wilson in the 3rd round?

What we do know is that 2017 is a deep, deep, class, and pissing away these picks to get more draft ammo for the potential to trade up in a QB class that has the potential to better than this class is overthinking the draft to an absurd degree.

I'd rather take a guy with mechanical flaws like Mahomes and sit his ass on the bench for a couple years with just one pick than **** around with trades into next year when we have plenty of needs that this draft can AMPLY supply to us.

well put.

[Sandy Vagina]

Originally Posted by JASONSAUTO

well put.

Agreed. At some point, you have little choice but to either place some trust and faith in the scouts/coaching/managing to do their jobs... or just **** right off, and do something else with your Sundays.

You don't have to trade the world to move up into the top 5. If you have any respect for your scouting, HC/OC, and talent around the QB position... then you should feel good about staying put at 27.. (or even 59).. and drafting a young QB with skills to develop.

From what I read on CP.. it would take very little to significantly upgrade from Alice Smiff. So why all the desperation to whore team out for a top 5 pick? The Chiefs keep getting into the playoffs WITH this tulip QB.. AND their bestest player 100,000,000 man useless each postseason.

If little Smiff can almost get them there... they don't need a to trade into the top 5 to get a QB that can get them over the hump.... right?

[rico]

Originally Posted by Sandy Cheeks

Agreed. At some point, you have little choice but to either place some trust and faith in the scouts/coaching/managing to do their jobs... or just **** right off, and do something else with your Sundays.

You don't have to trade the world to move up into the top 5. If you have any respect for your scouting, HC/OC, and talent around the QB position... then you should feel good about staying put at 27.. (or even 59).. and drafting a young QB with skills to develop.

From what I read on CP.. it would take very little to significantly upgrade from Alice Smiff. So why all the desperation to whore team out for a top 5 pick? The Chiefs keep getting into the playoffs WITH this tulip QB.. AND their bestest player 100,000,000 man useless each postseason.

If little Smiff can almost get them there... they don't need a to trade into the top 5 to get a QB that can get them over the hump.... right?

Clark Hunt (that's the owner/CEO of the team, Sandy), is that you?!?!?

If so, it explains a lot...ya know, because we as Chiefs fans should feel satisfied with first round or divisional round exits every year...despite the massive talent we have on the roster. In other words, we should all continue to loyally purchase tickets because we are a legit perennial threat to make it to the divisional round playoffs every year with Smith (as long as we have a mega-loaded supporting cast) because Smith doesn't throw interceptions!!! We Chiefs fans should feel lucky!!!

[oldman]

Originally Posted by RealSNR

I'd rather take a guy with mechanical flaws like Mahomes and sit his ass on the bench for a couple years with just one pick than **** around with trades into next year when we have plenty of needs that this draft can AMPLY supply to us.

I hear what you're saying, and that might be ideal thing to do. But who do you have him sit behind? Smith, for sure in 2017, but what about 2018? I can just imagine the butthurt about that here.

[Coochie liquor]

Originally Posted by oldman

I hear what you're saying, and that might be ideal thing to do. But who do you have him sit behind? Smith, for sure in 2017, but what about 2018? I can just imagine the butthurt about that here.

I don't think the Clarks really care what posters on CP think. If they did we would have a worse qb drafting record than the Browns. And speaking of the Browns... how do they ever expect to be taken seriously with those hideous ****ing colors. Jesus!!

[RealSNR]

Originally Posted by oldman

I hear what you're saying, and that might be ideal thing to do. But who do you have him sit behind? Smith, for sure in 2017, but what about 2018? I can just imagine the butthurt about that here.

Chase Daniel? Brodie Croyle? I don't really give a shit. I don't even care if Smith starts in 2018.

We're the Chiefs. We were cowards during King Carl and never drafted a QB when we sucked. After Carl we never sucked QUITE enough or in the right year to get the RIGHT guy.

So we'll have to manufacture our own chances. This is the best way I know how. Take the guy with the most promise who stands a decent chance of clearing that bar given enough time and patience.

Try. Just ****ing try to draft a QB for ****'s sake.

[Mr. Laz]

Originally Posted by RealSNR

Chase Daniel? Brodie Croyle? I don't really give a shit. I don't even care if Smith starts in 2018.

We're the Chiefs. We were cowards during King Carl and never drafted a QB when we sucked. After Carl we never sucked QUITE enough or in the right year to get the RIGHT guy.

So we'll have to manufacture our own chances. This is the best way I know how. Take the guy with the most promise who stands a decent chance of clearing that bar given enough time and patience.

Try. Just ****ing try to draft a QB for ****'s sake.

Would you trade Alex Smith for Cleveland's 1st round pick next year?

Even if we have to add a pick of our own to go along with it?


We gave two 2nds and when trading a draft pick each year delayed is supposed to lower the value of the pick by one round.

Alex Smith and our 3rd pick this year for Cleveland's 1st rounder next year?

I know people will shred it just like they try to shred every post about everything but a trade something like that.

We sign a Chase Daniel or something to start for us this year. We end up with 2 first round picks next year in a decent QB draft.

at least it's a plan, a plan i doubt we have now.


Doesn't matter, Reid doesn't want a young QB. We are just wasting time hoping for something that isn't going to happen.

[SAUTO]

Originally Posted by Mr. Laz

Would you trade Alex Smith for Cleveland's 1st round pick next year?

Even if we have to add a pick of our own to go along with it?


We gave two 2nds and when trading a draft pick each year delayed is supposed to lower the value of the pick by one round.

Alex Smith and our 3rd pick this year for Cleveland's 1st rounder?

I know people will shred it just like they try to shred every post about everything but a trade something like that.

We sign a Chase Daniel or something to start for us this year. We end up with 2 first round picks next year in a decent QB draft.

at least it's a plan, a plan i doubt we have now.


Doesn't matter, Reid doesn't want a young QB. We are just wasting time hoping for something that isn't going to happen.

Yes, absolutely. I would do that so fast your head would spin.

Good idea

[Chief Roundup]

Originally Posted by RealSNR

Chase Daniel? Brodie Croyle? I don't really give a shit. I don't even care if Smith starts in 2018.

We're the Chiefs. We were cowards during King Carl and never drafted a QB when we sucked. After Carl we never sucked QUITE enough or in the right year to get the RIGHT guy.

So we'll have to manufacture our own chances. This is the best way I know how. Take the guy with the most promise who stands a decent chance of clearing that bar given enough time and patience.

Try. Just ****ing try to draft a QB for ****'s sake.

Exactly we will have to manufacture that opportunity. Yes there are several ways to do that, but standing pat and filling other needs and having a great team that can put us oh so close despite the QB is not going to make it easier to manufacture that ability.
We don't need to draft one just to draft one either try to get the right one which is generally going to be found in the top part of the 1st as history has shown. Brady, Wilson are outliers they are not the norm. It is like find the pot of gold at the end of the rainbow or getting struck by lighting. I would rather hedge my bets to insure I had the ability to get a damn good one.

[SAUTO]

Originally Posted by Chief Roundup

Exactly we will have to manufacture that opportunity. Yes there are several ways to do that, but standing pat and filling other needs and having a great team that can put us oh so close despite the QB is not going to make it easier to manufacture that ability.
We don't need to draft one just to draft one either try to get the right one which is generally going to be found in the top part of the 1st as history has shown. Brady, Wilson are outliers they are not the norm. It is like find the pot of gold at the end of the rainbow or getting struck by lighting. I would rather hedge my bets to insure I had the ability to get a damn good one.

So you can't trade future picks? Good to know

[Chief Roundup]

Originally Posted by JASONSAUTO

So you can't trade future picks? Good to know

What the **** are you talking about?

[Nickhead]

Originally Posted by JASONSAUTO

So you can't trade future picks? Good to know

you defo can trade future picks. they do it all the time.

[Chief Roundup]

Originally Posted by RealSNR

There's too much unpredictability in that scenario.

The Broncos once traded a future 1st of theirs to Detroit so they could have Detroit's 2nd round pick and take some bust ass corner who sucked. I would take that deal in an instant were there a franchise idiotic enough to make that same mistake. I don't think there will be, however.

The problem with loading up on 2018 is you don't know if it will be enough and you don't know what you'll have. QB classes are tougher things to predict. 2004 was thought of as kind of an ordinary year, but it ended up being one of the most top-heavy QB classes of all time. A year out, 2013 was thought to be an even assemblage of QB talent, and it turned out to be AIDS soup.

Everybody saying, "2018 will be better" has no ****ing clue if it's going to be worth it. Or, you could get the opposite problem. 2012 was this amazing QB class too, but what you had was two damn good prospects get taken at 1 and 2, and then the rest of the QBs had huge issues (Tannehill, Weeden, and Assweiler were the next 3 off the board). If we get the draft ammo to trade up into the top 15 so we can draft the 3rd best QB, is he going to be a legit QB worth taking a shot on, or are we going to be better off trying to hunt for Russell Wilson in the 3rd round?

What we do know is that 2017 is a deep, deep, class, and pissing away these picks to get more draft ammo for the potential to trade up in a QB class that has the potential to better than this class is overthinking the draft to an absurd degree.

I'd rather take a guy with mechanical flaws like Mahomes and sit his ass on the bench for a couple years with just one pick than **** around with trades into next year when we have plenty of needs that this draft can AMPLY supply to us.

I can understand this and as I have said if the guys that they like are gone then why not roll the dice for next year? We are only talking about one pick and maybe we even get a mid round back as boot to make it a better deal. Again like I said this would be dependent on if they don't really like any of the prospects that are there at 27. Look at last year he traded back because he thought the value was not there. The needs we have can be filled even without our 1st.
Belichick did all kinds of crazy trades for future picks and was called a genius for it by some and crazy by others until they seen it working and then he was just a genius.

To quote most around here if you don't have the QB the rest doesn't really matter.