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Old 06-25-2017, 08:37 AM  
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Teicher: Chiefs seem adrift while Raiders ride momentum
Chiefs seem adrift while Raiders ride momentum

Adam Teicher
ESPN Staff Writer



KANSAS CITY, Mo. -- The most notable event of the week for one AFC West favorite came when the Oakland Raiders signed their franchise quarterback, Derek Carr, to a five-year contract extension.

The most notable event of the week for the division's other top contender came when the Kansas City Chiefs announced -- one month before the start of training camp -- they were looking to hire a new general manager.

Talk about a tale of two franchises. Carr and Raiders general manager Reggie McKenzie were all smiles at Friday's news conference to announce the quarterback's contract. Carr, even though he's now the highest-paid player in NFL history, talked about his desire to leave some money for teammates who are also due for a raise. McKenzie talked about his desire to get that accomplished.

Meanwhile, the Chiefs hid behind a prepared statement that didn't explain their reasons for letting go of general manager John Dorsey.

In Oakland, they have a plan. With Carr signed for the long term, McKenzie and the Raiders are free to secure some of their other good, young players such as linebacker Khalil Mack, offensive lineman Gabe Jackson and wide receiver Amari Cooper.

In Kansas City, the Chiefs don't have a plan or if they do, they need a better one. Looking for a GM with training camp looming should never be a part of the script.

The week's developments in Oakland and in Kansas City won't necessarily determine the course of the AFC West race in 2017 and for years to come. They will make things more difficult for the Chiefs, who tied with the Raiders at 12-4 last season but won the AFC West title because they swept the two games against Oakland.

Both teams until recently looked as if they had sustainability. The Raiders have many good, young players and the financial resources to keep them around for a while. The Chiefs are well coached by Andy Reid and his staff and also have a talented roster that was being continually restocked because of Dorsey's smart drafting. The Chiefs in April drafted Patrick Mahomes II, perhaps giving them an eventual franchise quarterback of their own.

Suddenly, it's natural to wonder about the Chiefs, who don't look as if they're being guided by any well-thought-out plan. Early in June, they released their most accomplished and experienced wide receiver, Jeremy Maclin, two years after signing him as a free agent.

Now, after discussing a contract extension with Dorsey earlier in the offseason, they're looking for his replacement. That task is more daunting given the mixed results from chairman Clark Hunt in hiring GMs. Dorsey was a good hire. The previous general manager, Scott Pioli, was not.

Hunt needs to get this one right. The Chiefs have to keep up with their rivals in Oakland, who have a general manager, money to burn and a smart plan.

The Chiefs, for the moment, have none of the three.


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Old 06-25-2017, 09:27 AM   #16
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Maybe last year, but the Broncos got better this offseason. The Chiefs did not.

It's a QB driven league and we're still trying to put in a new engine. Oakland has a finely tuned sports car at this point and Denver is doing speed runs. We need another year just to get ours out of the shop.
New HC, new DC, new QB. They have a ton to prove.

It's going to be hard enough for Denver to outcoach Andy.
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Old 06-25-2017, 09:30 AM   #17
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New HC, new DC, new QB. They have a ton to prove.

It's going to be hard enough for Denver to outcoach Andy.
They don't have a "new" QB. They've been developing two quarterbacks for two/three seasons now and one of them is already giving them Alex Smith-type production.

Coaching isn't going to matter if Mahomes is slow out of the gate next season.
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Old 06-25-2017, 09:31 AM   #18
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Chiefs fans in a nutshell -

"Nothing matters until you draft a QB high in the first round, that's the key to winning and sustaining greatness".

Chiefs move up and draft Mahomes at #10

Reid gets an extension

"Awesome we are going to kick ass with Reid and Mahomes in the future! Badass"

Chiefs move on from Dorsey

"We have no chance of winning anything ever, Dorsey was the best GM ever and now we have no shot at ever getting another good player ever again. We are doomed!"
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Old 06-25-2017, 09:40 AM   #19
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Coaching isn't going to matter if Mahomes is slow out of the gate next season.
New HC, new DC, new starting QB (Lynch).

Every single one of those components could be slow out of the gate in Denver. They are all inexperienced in their current role.

They are literally new and have no extensive experience as a HC, DC or starting QB
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Old 06-25-2017, 09:44 AM   #20
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Him and his checkdown stories
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Old 06-25-2017, 09:47 AM   #21
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New HC, new DC, new starting QB (Lynch).

Every single one of those components could be slow out of the gate in Denver. They are all inexperienced in their current role.

They are literally new and have no extensive experience as a HC, DC or starting QB
He's not a "new" starting QB. He's started games before.

We don't even know if he's going to claim the starting job, either.

But by the time Mahomes even gets in a game we might be looking at two teams in the division with established starters for the long term.

So yes...we got a ways to go. Don't sugar coat it.
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Old 06-25-2017, 09:48 AM   #22
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Chiefs fans in a nutshell -

"Nothing matters until you draft a QB high in the first round, that's the key to winning and sustaining greatness".

Chiefs move up and draft Mahomes at #10

Reid gets an extension

"Awesome we are going to kick ass with Reid and Mahomes in the future! Badass"

Chiefs move on from Dorsey

"We have no chance of winning anything ever, Dorsey was the best GM ever and now we have no shot at ever getting another good player ever again. We are doomed!"
This forum is the queen of knee jerk reactions to every little thing.
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Old 06-25-2017, 09:52 AM   #23
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This forum is the queen of knee jerk reactions to every little thing.
My favorite is the theory Dorsey was fired for drafting Mahomes as if he didn't have to get the owners sign off on giving up multiple 1st round picks.
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Old 06-25-2017, 09:53 AM   #24
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Maybe last year, but the Broncos got better this offseason. The Chiefs did not.

It's a QB driven league and we're still trying to put in a new engine. Oakland has a finely tuned sports car at this point and Denver is doing speed runs. We need another year just to get ours out of the shop.
How did Denver get better?
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Old 06-25-2017, 09:58 AM   #25
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How did Denver get better?
G Ron Leary
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They did a great job of addressing their weaknesses in run defense and on the OL. Butt could be a huge plus.
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This forum is the queen of knee jerk reactions to every little thing.
I wouldn't call firing your GM, that was an important part of turning the organization around, a small thing.
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The Chiefs are not adrift, at all. They capped their GM and have a fantastic candidate in the wings to likely take over. If he does, there likely won't be any changes in staffing or philosophy. The Chiefs have a much better coaching staff. Talent wise the Raiders have an edge at QB obviously, but beyond that, the Chiefs are pretty damn equal overall. Hopefully, Mahomes will end up being better or equal to Carr in a few years.

Regardless, the Alex Smith led Chiefs have dominated the last 3 years against Carr's Raiders.
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Why is Denver even in this thread?

**** off with that stuff. At this point SD and Oakland are bigger threats.
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G Ron Leary
T Menelik Watson
T Garrett Boles
NT Domata Peko
TE Jake Butt

They did a great job of addressing their weaknesses in run defense and on the OL. Butt could be a huge plus.
Lol!!! Leary is the only competent upgrade on that list. Butt will be lucky to play much of the 2017 season; he'll certainly get out to a slow start. Jury is out on Boles...who hasn't played a single down in the NFL to date. I certainly wouldn't say either Tackle is an instant upgrade to Okung this season, and I'd call Peko/Sylvester Williams a draw at the very best.
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G Ron Leary
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They did a great job of addressing their weaknesses in run defense and on the OL. Butt could be a huge plus.
7-9 - Broncos

This is homer stuff.
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