Well shit. New GM means back to completely guessing again. - Page 2

Dante84 · 06-22-2017, 10:36 PM

We finally had a read on what Dorsey liked and had an idea as to who might fit within the constructs of his vision.

I think we all (mostly) felt really confident that we would get a solid haul with Dorsey steering the ship. This has been the most fun regime for me, as far as Chiefs drafts go.

I hope we get someone who has a clue and an eye for talent. I'm afraid whatever we do will be a step sideways at best, or backwards at worst.

Thanks for the fun drafts, Dorsey.

CoMoChief · 07-02-2017, 11:43 PM

Firings like this send negative vibes around the league. Dorsey was an exceptional talent evaluator. When things are going good, you're winning and hitting on your draft picks and lower tier FA signings to fill depth positions it raises eyebrows about this franchise and if the chiefs job is a good GM job to take given the power structure? Reid was just given a new contract. He's not going anywhere.

Sweet Daddy Hate · 07-07-2017, 06:09 AM

One of the detrimental aspects of continually being on the Chiefs' ass is that it makes situations like the Dorsey firing carry less weight when you're trying to express an honest opinion.
That said, I have absolutely no doubt that any possibility of sustained greatness went right out the door with Dorsey's day runner.

**DaneMcCloud** · 07-07-2017, 02:00 PM

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Originally Posted by Sweet Daddy Hate

One of the detrimental aspects of continually being on the Chiefs' ass is that it makes situations like the Dorsey firing carry less weight when you're trying to express an honest opinion.
That said, I have absolutely no doubt that any possibility of sustained greatness went right out the door with Dorsey's day runner.

Andy Reid is FAR more important than any GM, including Dorsey

Sweet Daddy Hate · 07-07-2017, 06:39 PM

Andy Reid is the jolly fat uncle that all these players respect because he knows how to relate to them.
Andy Reid isn't worth 1/16 of a John Dorsey in terms of finding talent and evaluating it.
And Andy Reid is far from being a proven, consistent, championship-level NFL coach.

Is Andy Reid better than the last 4 Chiefs coaches? I would ****ing hope so, as we're not talking a Mt. Everest climb-challenge in overcoming that sad clown show.

Is Andy Reid Marty Schottenhiemer with a boner for passing plays instead of running?

Yes.
Yes.
Yes.
Yes.
Etc.

It's a "great fit"?
Yeah, okay.

milkman · 07-08-2017, 07:21 AM

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Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud

Andy Reid is FAR more important than any GM, including Dorsey

Disagree.

Reid is going to need pro bowl calibre talent, along with talent, leadership, intelligence and balls at the QB position, to overcome his shortcomings as a game and clock manager.

RunKC · 07-08-2017, 09:30 AM

If Veach is the new GM I'll feel more comfortable.

As mentioned before, we have all of the same scouts going out on the road, plus we have Borgonzi and Veach along with the same coaching staff, so we aren't completely bare.

The Chiefs have drafted high upside players and given them to our elite coaching staff and the results speak for themselves. Ford, Kelce, Jones, Hill and Peters are prime examples of this philosophy working.

What I fear is the loss of talent evaluation from late round picks and cheap FA'S like Ware, Parker, LDT and Howard.

Sweet Daddy Hate · 07-08-2017, 10:45 AM

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Originally Posted by RunKC

If Veach is the new GM I'll feel more comfortable.

As mentioned before, we have all of the same scouts going out on the road, plus we have Borgonzi and Veach along with the same coaching staff, so we aren't completely bare.

The Chiefs have drafted high upside players and given them to our elite coaching staff and the results speak for themselves. Ford, Kelce, Jones, Hill and Peters are prime examples of this philosophy working.

What I fear is the loss of talent evaluation from late round picks and cheap FA'S like Ware, Parker, LDT and Howard.

Exactly. While finding those overlooked gems may not necessarily mean life or death, they are VERY important if your goal is to build a roster with real and workable depth.

**DaneMcCloud** · 07-08-2017, 12:36 PM

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Originally Posted by milkman

Disagree.

Reid is going to need pro bowl calibre talent, along with talent, leadership, intelligence and balls at the QB position, to overcome his shortcomings as a game and clock manager.

Disagree agree all you'd like but Andy Reid is the one of the best and most successful head coaches in NFL history.

John Dorsey is a blip on the NFL's radar.

**DaneMcCloud** · 07-08-2017, 12:43 PM

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Originally Posted by Sweet Daddy Hate

Andy Reid isn't worth 1/16 of a John Dorsey in terms of finding talent and evaluating it.

Oh, for ****'s sake.

The guy that drafted Donovan McNabb, LeSean McCoy, Desean Jackson, Derrick Burgess, Correll Buckhalter, Brian Westbrook, Lito Shepard, Todd Herremns, Trent Cole, Reggie Brown, Brodrick Bunkley, Winston Justice, Brent Celek, Quinton Demps, King Dunlap, Jeremy Maclin, Nate Allen, Clay Harbor, Riley Cooper, Kurt Coleman, Fletcher Cox, Mychal Kindricks, Vinny Curry, Nick Foles, and Casey Mathews isn't 1/16th of Dorsey?

You're mouthbreather.

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And Andy Reid is far from being a proven, consistent, championship-level NFL coach.

Holy shit this is ****ing stupid.

In 18 seasons, Andy Reid has won an average of more than 10 games per season.

Sweet Daddy Hate · 07-08-2017, 01:30 PM

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Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud

Oh, for ****'s sake.

The guy that drafted Donovan McNabb, LeSean McCoy, Desean Jackson, Derrick Burgess, Correll Buckhalter, Brian Westbrook, Lito Shepard, Todd Herremns, Trent Cole, Reggie Brown, Brodrick Bunkley, Winston Justice, Brent Celek, Quinton Demps, King Dunlap, Jeremy Maclin, Nate Allen, Clay Harbor, Riley Cooper, Kurt Coleman, Fletcher Cox, Mychal Kindricks, Vinny Curry, Nick Foles, and Casey Mathews isn't 1/16th of Dorsey?

You're mouthbreather.

Holy shit this is ****ing stupid.

In 18 seasons, Andy Reid has won an average of more than 10 games per season.

The man isn't even .500 in the post season for his entire career. He's been to ONE ****ing Super Bowl in his entire run as a head coach, and he lost.

And more than half of your ****ing list of "talent" would illicit a sound "who"(?) from most NFL fans.

But keep ****ing that chicken, Dan-o. That fat, mediocre, ****ing chicken.

**DaneMcCloud** · 07-08-2017, 02:32 PM

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Originally Posted by Sweet Daddy Hate

The man isn't even .500 in the post season for his entire career. He's been to ONE ****ing Super Bowl in his entire run as a head coach, and he lost.

And more than half of your ****ing list of "talent" would illicit a sound "who"(?) from most NFL fans.

But keep ****ing that chicken, Dan-o. That fat, mediocre, ****ing chicken.

You are such a ****ing moron.

Why do you continue to expose yourself as such?

Sweet Daddy Hate · 07-08-2017, 02:38 PM

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Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud

You are such a ****ing moron.

Why do you continue to expose yourself as such?

And you are such a delusional ****ing tool.

Why can't the "great" Andy Reid break .500 in the post season?

**DaneMcCloud** · 07-08-2017, 03:25 PM

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Originally Posted by Sweet Daddy Hate

And you are such a delusional ****ing tool.

Tool? You're a ****ing low life methhead moron that's been banned multiple time, renounced your "fandom", then decided to be a "fan" again this year.

That's a ****ing tool.

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Originally Posted by Sweet Daddy Hate

Why can't the "great" Andy Reid break .500 in the post season?

He's 11-12 postseason and coached in a Super Bowl. Why hasn't he won more frequently?

He's never had a Hall of Fame QB.

milkman · 07-08-2017, 03:27 PM

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Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud

Disagree agree all you'd like but Andy Reid is the one of the best and most successful head coaches in NFL history.

John Dorsey is a blip on the NFL's radar.

The most successful head coaches in NFL history won championships.

milkman · 07-08-2017, 03:28 PM

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Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud

Tool? You're a ****ing low life methhead moron that's been banned multiple time, renounced your "fandom", then decided to be a "fan" again this year.

That's a ****ing tool.

He's 11-12 postseason and coached in a Super Bowl. Why hasn't he won more frequently?

He's never had a Hall of Fame QB.

He lost because of sorryass clock and game management.

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Dante84 Tossed Salad & Scrambled Eggs Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: ATX & OPKS Casino cash: $-1928004 VARSITY	Well shit. New GM means back to completely guessing again. We finally had a read on what Dorsey liked and had an idea as to who might fit within the constructs of his vision. I think we all (mostly) felt really confident that we would get a solid haul with Dorsey steering the ship. This has been the most fun regime for me, as far as Chiefs drafts go. I hope we get someone who has a clue and an eye for talent. I'm afraid whatever we do will be a step sideways at best, or backwards at worst. Thanks for the fun drafts, Dorsey.
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07-02-2017, 11:43 PM	#16
CoMoChief Mahomes Dynasty Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Parts Unknown Casino cash: $7672254	Firings like this send negative vibes around the league. Dorsey was an exceptional talent evaluator. When things are going good, you're winning and hitting on your draft picks and lower tier FA signings to fill depth positions it raises eyebrows about this franchise and if the chiefs job is a good GM job to take given the power structure? Reid was just given a new contract. He's not going anywhere. __________________
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07-07-2017, 06:09 AM	#17
Sweet Daddy Hate Unsparing Join Date: Aug 2008 Casino cash: $10004900	One of the detrimental aspects of continually being on the Chiefs' ass is that it makes situations like the Dorsey firing carry less weight when you're trying to express an honest opinion. That said, I have absolutely no doubt that any possibility of sustained greatness went right out the door with Dorsey's day runner. __________________ 1. Merciless, severe. 2. Given freely and generously. 100% refusal to overrate 20 year Head Coaches with ZERO **ing rings as a Head Coach. CP's Official Professor of 'Dem Blues for 2019/2020!**
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07-07-2017, 06:39 PM	#19
Sweet Daddy Hate Unsparing Join Date: Aug 2008 Casino cash: $10004900	Andy Reid is the jolly fat uncle that all these players respect because he knows how to relate to them. Andy Reid isn't worth 1/16 of a John Dorsey in terms of finding talent and evaluating it. And Andy Reid is far from being a proven, consistent, championship-level NFL coach. Is Andy Reid better than the last 4 Chiefs coaches? I would **ing hope so, as we're not talking a Mt. Everest climb-challenge in overcoming that sad clown show. Is Andy Reid Marty Schottenhiemer with a boner for passing plays instead of running? Yes. Yes. Yes. Yes. Etc. It's a "great fit"? Yeah, okay. __________________ 1. Merciless, severe. 2. Given freely and generously. 100% refusal to overrate 20 year Head Coaches with ZERO ing rings as a Head Coach. CP's Official Professor of 'Dem Blues for 2019/2020!**
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07-08-2017, 09:30 AM	#21
RunKC Andy Reid Supporter Join Date: Apr 2012 Casino cash: $-1500389	If Veach is the new GM I'll feel more comfortable. As mentioned before, we have all of the same scouts going out on the road, plus we have Borgonzi and Veach along with the same coaching staff, so we aren't completely bare. The Chiefs have drafted high upside players and given them to our elite coaching staff and the results speak for themselves. Ford, Kelce, Jones, Hill and Peters are prime examples of this philosophy working. What I fear is the loss of talent evaluation from late round picks and cheap FA'S like Ware, Parker, LDT and Howard.
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