Chiefs Creating cap space for shoring up defense for 2018 - Page 2

bigjosh · 10-21-2017, 12:52 AM

I know it is looking way into the future, and neglecting 2017, but I was interested to see what kind of cap figures we could get into for 2018.

According to over the cap, the Chiefs are set to be .9M over the cap at the start of league year 2018.

This figure includes a dead money figure of 4.8M for Jeremy Maclin, and a dead money figure of .77M for Jah Reid.

There are a few players who I think have little to no chance of being on the roster next season.

Alex smith, with a cap figure of 20.6M if cut or traded would save 17M on the cap, and cost us 3.6M in dead money.

DJ, as much as I hate to say it, is done. Ending his 10.2M contract in 2018 saves 8M and leaves us with 2.2M in dead money.

Tamba Hali has a cap number of 8.5M in 2018 and would cost us 1.5M in dead money but save us 7M if cut.

So after those three we are at roughly 31.1M in cap space.

We have no big name free agents next year that we should be too concerned with resigning. I am guessing we pick up Marcus Peters 5th year option, which will keep him on the roster through the 2019 season. Dee Fords option was picked up earlier this off season and he will be a UFA at the start of the 2019 league year.

I dont think too many of our free agents stick around after this year.

Perhaps we resign Albert Wilson, Anthony Sherman, Terrence Mitchell and Zack Fulton. Those deals shouldnt cost much more than 10M I would hope. This year combined these four players account for less than 7.5M. Maybe we resign a couple low end UFA and RFA to tenders.

So realistically we could have 21M going into free agency.

I dont know if anyone here considers Allen Bailey and Ron Parker as potential cap casualties, but Bailey would save us another 6M and Ron parker would save us another 5M.

So without those two we could be sitting pretty at 32M in cap space prior to FA with the re signings of the players mentioned before.

Players I am looking at in free agency are:

Safety Kenny Vaccaro of the saints,

ILB Todd Davis of the broncos,

ILB Zach Brown of the redskins,

CB Morris Claiborne of the jets,

These guys aren't considered "top tier" free agents, but I think each one of them could come into this defense and be an immediate upgrade for a decent deal.

I would also be looking for a 3-4 DT or DE if there were any available that were worth a shit.

That being said, with the probable release of DJ and Hali and the group of pending free agents along the D Line, if it becomes necessary to switch to a 4-3 with a new DC, this would be a decent year to do it.

What do you think guys? How can we get this defense shored up prior to the draft?

Hammock Parties · 10-21-2017, 11:33 AM

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Originally Posted by pugsnotdrugs19

I firmly believe that KC has the players in the building right now to right the ship defensively.

Eric Murray just made Jared Cook look like Rob Gronkowski.

The talent just isn't there.

RunKC · 10-21-2017, 11:37 AM

We are all overreacting to Eric Murray right now. The fact is he has done a nice job overall. He's had one horrible game but has been a pretty decent player in the other 6 games.

Reerun_KC · 10-21-2017, 12:19 PM

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Originally Posted by RealSNR

Bob Sutton is an old and confused man. He won't change anything.

It’s strange it’s taken CP 5 years to see what most has seen about Sutton since he arrived

**fan4ever** · 10-21-2017, 12:56 PM

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Originally Posted by pugsnotdrugs19

Man.. the panic on here is real.

I get it, it was a super shitty week. No doubt. But I firmly believe that KC has the players in the building right now to right the ship defensively. This isn't a personnel issue completely, this is a scheme issue and Bob Sutton needs to fix it by Denver in 9 days.

Every team has warts.. ours are fixable right now. Reinforcements are on the way.

A secondary where players don't tackle, don't hit, and play soft while committing several dpi calls a game isn't exactly a scheme issue.

Couch-Potato · 10-21-2017, 07:57 PM

I'm wondering if we could trade Alex for players to get better value than a 2nd? Say we traded him to the Jags, maybe we could get one of their WRs (Robinson?) or CBs (Bouye?) + a late round pick? or maybe to the Browns for the rights to Gordon + a mid round pick? Dolphins for Landry and a pick?

I'm thinking it might be better to get an established talent plus a long shot on a 5th or 6th round pick rather than just one decent shot at a second, although an early second is basically like a first so maybe not.

Side note: anyone ever notice how much A Robinson and AJ Bouye look alike? it's weird.

http://www.nfl.com/player/allenrobinson/2543509/profile

http://www.espn.com/nfl/player/_/id/16562/aj-bouye

penbrook · 10-21-2017, 08:20 PM

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Originally Posted by Couch-Potato

I'm wondering if we could trade Alex for players to get better value than a 2nd? Say we traded him to the Jags, maybe we could get one of their WRs (Robinson?) or CBs (Bouye?) + a late round pick? or maybe to the Browns for the rights to Gordon + a mid round pick? Dolphins for Landry and a pick?

I'm thinking it might be better to get an established talent plus a long shot on a 5th or 6th round pick rather than just one decent shot at a second, although an early second is basically like a first so maybe not.

Side note: anyone ever notice how much A Robinson and AJ Bouye look alike? it's weird.

http://www.nfl.com/player/allenrobinson/2543509/profile

http://www.espn.com/nfl/player/_/id/16562/aj-bouye

Gordon will about to be a free agent. He’s not even re instated yet.

pugsnotdrugs19 · 10-21-2017, 08:24 PM

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Originally Posted by fan4ever

A secondary where players don't tackle, don't hit, and play soft while committing several dpi calls a game isn't exactly a scheme issue.

Partly. But we're not doing the secondary any favors from a schematic standpoint. We play 70% man coverage roughly. We rush 3 defenders far more than most teams, if not all. That's not a good mix. You are expecting your guys to cover for a long time when you do that. The defense has been so predictable too, and that's fine if your talent is enough to carry you past offenses anyways, but that's clearly not the case for them this year.

**RealSNR** · 10-21-2017, 09:03 PM

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Originally Posted by Couch-Potato

I'm wondering if we could trade Alex for players to get better value than a 2nd? Say we traded him to the Jags, maybe we could get one of their WRs (Robinson?) or CBs (Bouye?) + a late round pick? or maybe to the Browns for the rights to Gordon + a mid round pick? Dolphins for Landry and a pick?

I'm thinking it might be better to get an established talent plus a long shot on a 5th or 6th round pick rather than just one decent shot at a second, although an early second is basically like a first so maybe not.

Side note: anyone ever notice how much A Robinson and AJ Bouye look alike? it's weird.

http://www.nfl.com/player/allenrobinson/2543509/profile

http://www.espn.com/nfl/player/_/id/16562/aj-bouye

Alex will get a 1st round pick. With that pick, take a legit defensive player at any position. Quit reaching for workout warriors who need development.

Find a Marcus Peters. Or a TJ Watt. Somebody who will instantly contribute. Tell Dee Fords and Tanoh Kpassagnons to go **** their mothers.

mcaj22 · 10-21-2017, 09:10 PM

they do need to stop reaching for all these developmental guys they think they can coach up. I get the coaching is really good but too many projects, like what they have now, mixed in with regression veterans is a disaster. Just take a couple blue chippers and be done with it.

Every ILBer besides DJ is a project they think they can coach up and they are all terrible. Hence why theres nobody in the middle of the defense that can stop the run or cover the pass at LBer. DJs replacement should have been here years ago and they got too cute with all these bums.

O.city · 10-21-2017, 09:13 PM

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Originally Posted by mcaj22

they do need to stop reaching for all these developmental guys they think they can coach up. I get the coaching is really good but too many projects, like what they have now, mixed in with regression veterans is a disaster. Just take a couple blue chippers and be done with it.

Every ILBer besides DJ is a project they think they can coach up and they are all terrible. Hence why theres nobody in the middle of thr defense that can stop the run or cover the pass at LBer. DJs replacement should have been here years ago and they got too cute with all these bums.

Where are they supposed to get these blue chippers?

penbrook · 10-21-2017, 09:14 PM

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Originally Posted by mcaj22

they do need to stop reaching for all these developmental guys they think they can coach up. I get the coaching is really good but too many projects, like what they have now, mixed in with regression veterans is a disaster. Just take a couple blue chippers and be done with it.

Every ILBer besides DJ is a project they think they can coach up and they are all terrible. Hence why theres nobody in the middle of the defense that can stop the run or cover the pass at LBer. DJs replacement should have been here years ago and they got too cute with all these bums.

DJs replacement was here years ago but he killed himself

cooper barrett · 10-21-2017, 09:15 PM

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Originally Posted by Couch-Potato

I'm wondering if we could trade Alex for players to get better value than a 2nd? Say we traded him to the Jags, maybe we could get one of their WRs (Robinson?) or CBs (Bouye?) + a late round pick? or maybe to the Browns for the rights to Gordon + a mid round pick? Dolphins for Landry and a pick?

If Alex11 doesn't start producing a TD a quarter, (not almost interceptions that were tipped into a players hands) he will not bring you the trade value of a Diesel VW!

mcaj22 · 10-21-2017, 09:15 PM

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Originally Posted by O.city

Where are they supposed to get these blue chippers?

theres this thing in the NFL called the offseason and it has a Free Agency and a Draft you should check it out.

chiefzilla1501 · 10-21-2017, 09:16 PM

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Originally Posted by Reerun_KC

It’s strange it’s taken CP 5 years to see what most has seen about Sutton since he arrived

Our defense has been mostly very good under Sutton. This year it's been off. But it hasn't been off for 5 years. Not even close.

mcaj22 · 10-21-2017, 09:20 PM

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Originally Posted by chiefzilla1501

Our defense has been mostly very good under Sutton. This year it's been off. But it hasn't been off for 5 years. Not even close.

thats because the veterans are now regression canidates and the young players arent good enough to fill the void.

add in a couple salary cap disaster contracts where guys are playing way below of what they were extended for, you get this years current defense

10-21-2017, 12:52 AM
bigjosh Mahomosapien Join Date: Oct 2012 Location: the great white north Casino cash: $-1995098	Creating cap space for shoring up defense for 2018 I know it is looking way into the future, and neglecting 2017, but I was interested to see what kind of cap figures we could get into for 2018. According to over the cap, the Chiefs are set to be .9M over the cap at the start of league year 2018. This figure includes a dead money figure of 4.8M for Jeremy Maclin, and a dead money figure of .77M for Jah Reid. There are a few players who I think have little to no chance of being on the roster next season. Alex smith, with a cap figure of 20.6M if cut or traded would save 17M on the cap, and cost us 3.6M in dead money. DJ, as much as I hate to say it, is done. Ending his 10.2M contract in 2018 saves 8M and leaves us with 2.2M in dead money. Tamba Hali has a cap number of 8.5M in 2018 and would cost us 1.5M in dead money but save us 7M if cut. So after those three we are at roughly 31.1M in cap space. We have no big name free agents next year that we should be too concerned with resigning. I am guessing we pick up Marcus Peters 5th year option, which will keep him on the roster through the 2019 season. Dee Fords option was picked up earlier this off season and he will be a UFA at the start of the 2019 league year. I dont think too many of our free agents stick around after this year. Perhaps we resign Albert Wilson, Anthony Sherman, Terrence Mitchell and Zack Fulton. Those deals shouldnt cost much more than 10M I would hope. This year combined these four players account for less than 7.5M. Maybe we resign a couple low end UFA and RFA to tenders. So realistically we could have 21M going into free agency. I dont know if anyone here considers Allen Bailey and Ron Parker as potential cap casualties, but Bailey would save us another 6M and Ron parker would save us another 5M. So without those two we could be sitting pretty at 32M in cap space prior to FA with the re signings of the players mentioned before. Players I am looking at in free agency are: Safety Kenny Vaccaro of the saints, ILB Todd Davis of the broncos, ILB Zach Brown of the redskins, CB Morris Claiborne of the jets, These guys aren't considered "top tier" free agents, but I think each one of them could come into this defense and be an immediate upgrade for a decent deal. I would also be looking for a 3-4 DT or DE if there were any available that were worth a shit. That being said, with the probable release of DJ and Hali and the group of pending free agents along the D Line, if it becomes necessary to switch to a 4-3 with a new DC, this would be a decent year to do it. What do you think guys? How can we get this defense shored up prior to the draft?
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Couch-Potato Simmons @ 32 > Fisher @ 1 Join Date: Jan 2015 Casino cash: $223065	I'm wondering if we could trade Alex for players to get better value than a 2nd? Say we traded him to the Jags, maybe we could get one of their WRs (Robinson?) or CBs (Bouye?) + a late round pick? or maybe to the Browns for the rights to Gordon + a mid round pick? Dolphins for Landry and a pick? I'm thinking it might be better to get an established talent plus a long shot on a 5th or 6th round pick rather than just one decent shot at a second, although an early second is basically like a first so maybe not. Side note: anyone ever notice how much A Robinson and AJ Bouye look alike? it's weird. http://www.nfl.com/player/allenrobinson/2543509/profile http://www.espn.com/nfl/player/_/id/16562/aj-bouye
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mcaj22 MVP Join Date: Feb 2010 Casino cash: $10014454	they do need to stop reaching for all these developmental guys they think they can coach up. I get the coaching is really good but too many projects, like what they have now, mixed in with regression veterans is a disaster. Just take a couple blue chippers and be done with it. Every ILBer besides DJ is a project they think they can coach up and they are all terrible. Hence why theres nobody in the middle of the defense that can stop the run or cover the pass at LBer. DJs replacement should have been here years ago and they got too cute with all these bums.
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