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Old 10-19-2017, 10:12 PM  
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Fire Bob Sutton
That is all.
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Old 10-14-2018, 10:57 PM   #1216
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Then go ahead and fire him. It simply isn't going to change anything.
Htis, I get where you are coming from, but this is the worst defense in history.


Decades of teams, and this is the worst.
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Old 10-14-2018, 10:58 PM   #1217
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Then go ahead and fire him. It simply isn't going to change anything.
And how do you know it won't change anything?
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Old 10-14-2018, 10:58 PM   #1218
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Brandon Carr is still playing better defense than any current Chief
Bring him in for the love of God.
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Old 10-14-2018, 10:59 PM   #1219
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Htis, I get where you are coming from, but this is the worst defense in history.


Decades of teams, and this is the worst.
I get that. I'm just not going to kid myself and think that it's anything more than scapegoating.

Does he deserve to get fired? Absolutely. Will it actually fix anything? No, I really don't think it will.

That's what is really depressing about it. The guy that's REALLY responsible for this is Veach and he's not going anywhere.
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Old 10-14-2018, 10:59 PM   #1220
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A coach should have a gameplan to his players strengths. Sutton does not do that. The 3 man rushes, not hiding what we are doing and lastly not coaching this react softness they have is all him.

They wont ever be elite. But they can be 20th good. Especially with the offense forcing most teams one dimensional.
I have said many times that he calls defenses based on his scheme. It does not matter what players are in the game.

It also seems like he doesn't put very much emphasis on tackling either. I know Marty was a defensive minded coach, and former DC, but he always put a huge emphasis on fundamentals. I know that is an ancient reference, but when he took over the team, he didn't have a ton of talent at linebacker, but he coached some no-name guys up, and we were a very good tackling team.

Sutton seems to coach tackling how college coaches teach free throws, which is not at all.

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Old 10-14-2018, 11:00 PM   #1221
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Perhaps we need to bring in a coordinator that can pull in some talent because even if BOB is great this IS NOT working.
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I get that. I'm just not going to kid myself and think that it's anything more than scapegoating.

Does he deserve to get fired? Absolutely. Will it actually fix anything? No, I really don't think it will.

That's what is really depressing about it. The guy that's REALLY responsible for this is Veach and he's not going anywhere.
I think I'm going to be sick.

If this franchise wastes Mahomes.........
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You'd think at this point that if Sutton had any self-respect left at all he'd just hang himself.
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Old 10-14-2018, 11:00 PM   #1224
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And how do you know it won't change anything?
There are defenses out there that are WAY more talented than the Chiefs, with top notch defensive coordinators, that are giving up 25+ points per game.

With this team's personnel and the league's emphasis on scoring, there isn't a defensive coordinator alive that could make this unit "good".
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6 of the top 10 defenses run a 34. Overreaction planet.
And those defenses all have fast linebackers, and they tackle.

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Old 10-14-2018, 11:01 PM   #1226
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And how do you know it won't change anything?
Part of the issue is the talent problem, specifically, depth.

Look, I'm a Sutton hater, and I want him gone, along with some defensive coaches. But at the same time, the players have to own up their mistakes. Ragland getting dominated at the line of scrimmage. Hitchens taking poor angles. Ron Parker should have showed everyone why he got cut by Atlanta.

The whole goddamn defense tackles like Marcus Peters does.
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I have said many times that he calls defenses based on his scheme. It does not matter what players are in the game.

It also seems like he doesn't put very much emphasis on tackling either. I know Marty was a defensive minded coach, and former DC, but he always put a huge emphasis on fundamentals. I know that is an ancient reference, but when he took over the team, he didn't have a ton of talent at linebacker, but he coached some no-name guys up, and we were a very good tackling team.

Sutton seems to coach tackling how college coaches teach free throws, which is not at all.

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Ya the Chiefs have horrible personnel on defense but I'm ****ing tired of seeing 3 man rushes on 3rd and long only to give up the first down because guess what our secondary still sucks.
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6 of the top 10 defenses run a 34. Overreaction planet.
List them off for me because they aren't all created equal.
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