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[SupDock]

That's the confusing part. As soon as the ball is snapped, the clock is running, therefore you can spike the ball

[Hammock Parties]

Originally Posted by SupDock

That's the confusing part. As soon as the ball is snapped, the clock is running, therefore you can spike the ball

I don't know why any of this is confusing.

Mahomes met all the printed stipulations for a legal spike.

He avoided all of the printed stipulations for intentional grounding.

[rabblerouser]

Originally Posted by Hammock Parties

I don't know why any of this is confusing.

Mahomes met all the printed stipulations for a legal spike.

He avoided all of the printed stipulations for intentional grounding.

It's because the previous penalty stopped the clock; the spike is only allowed to stop the clock.

If the clock isn't running...then it's an intentional grounding, because, as the clock was already stopped due to the previous penalty, there was no running clock to stop.

Which would then make it intenational grounding.

Pretty cut and dried.

[Hammock Parties]

Originally Posted by rabblerouser

If the clock isn't running...then it's an intentional grounding

That's not in the rulebook.

There is no "spike" section in intentional grounding.

Rules aren't open to "interpretation" they are ironclad.

At the VERY LEAST a QB has to be under pressure for grounding to be called.

IT'S
IN
THE
RULEBOOK

[rabblerouser]

Originally Posted by Hammock Parties

That's not in the rulebook.

There is no "spike" section in intentional grounding.

Rules aren't open to "interpretation" they are ironclad.

At the VERY LEAST a QB has to be under pressure for grounding to be called.

IT'S
IN
THE
RULEBOOK

Per item 3:

"player under center is permitted to stop the game clock legally to save time"

If the clock isn't running, then therefore the player is not legally stopping the clock to save time; e.g. intentional grounding is the correct call.

[Hammock Parties]

Originally Posted by rabblerouser

Per item 3:

"player under center is permitted to stop the game clock legally to save time"

If the clock isn't running, then therefore the player is not legally stopping the clock to save time; e.g. intentional grounding is the correct call.

As soon as the ball was snapped the clock started running.

Nowhere does it say "clock must be running BEFORE the snap."

Again, I will say READ THE RULES.

What defines a spike? Stipulation met.

What defense intentional grounding? Stipulations avoided.

There's no other section of rules to consider except fantasy fat ref land rules.

[rabblerouser]

Originally Posted by Hammock Parties

As soon as the ball was snapped the clock started running.

Nowhere does it say "clock must be running BEFORE the snap."

Again, I will say READ THE RULES.

What defines a spike? Stipulation met.

What defense intentional grounding? Stipulations avoided.

There's no other section of rules to consider except fantasy fat ref land rules.

I REPEAT :


It's Per item 3:

"player under center is permitted to stop the game clock legally to save time"

Because if the clock isn't running before the play, then you're not saving any time by spiking the ball, correct?

Which, by definition of the rules, means it's not a legal spike.

Why did he spike the ball?

What strategic purpose did that serve??

The clock wasn't running and the 25 second clock hadn't even started yet; take your time, call a play at the line, an RPO, PLENTY of time...

The spike did not save time, as the clock wasn't running. Since the rules state that you can ONLY spike the ball TO SAVE TIME ON THE GAMECLOCK, he committed intentional grounding.

Per the rules in item 3.


Per item 3:

"player under center is permitted to stop the game clock legally to save time"

If the clock isn't running, then therefore the player is not legally stopping the clock to save time; e.g. intentional grounding is the correct call.

Otherwise, ANY incomplete/intentional grounding was "done to stop the clock, ref!"

[rabblerouser]

Originally Posted by SupDock

That's the confusing part. As soon as the ball is snapped, the clock is running, therefore you can spike the ball

But there's ostensibly no reason to, if the clock is stopped...you just call a play and run the play.

The only reason to spike the ball is if the clock is running...

Right?

So...therefore, the ONLY time a spike would be valid would be when it's permitted to stop a running clock.

The clock was stopped after the penalty.

Mahomes may have actually committed intentional grounding, it's just that the refs AND the announcers didn't quite know how to explain WHY...

[Kyle DeLexus]

Originally Posted by rabblerouser

But there's ostensibly no reason to, if the clock is stopped...you just call a play and run the play.

The only reason to spike the ball is if the clock is running...

Right?

So...therefore, the ONLY time a spike would be valid would be when it's permitted to stop a running clock.

The clock was stopped after the penalty.

Mahomes may have actually committed intentional grounding, it's just that the refs AND the announcers didn't quite know how to explain WHY...

Again there was no pressure by the defense. If a team wants to just spike the ball three straight downs and punt, they should be allowed to do so.

[rabblerouser]

Originally Posted by Kyle DeLexus

Again there was no pressure by the defense. If a team wants to just spike the ball three straight downs and punt, they should be allowed to do so.

Not according to the rules.

The spike play is ONLY to be used to stop the clock.

If it's not used to stop a running clock, it's then intentional grounding, no matter what.

According to the rules.

The clock was stopped.

You CAN'T spike the ball if the clock is stopped.

According to the rules. The pressure part never came into play because the clock was not going to start until the ball was snapped.

He should've ran a ****ing play.

According to me.

Classic Andy ****ing Reid clock management, Full Reidtard gonna get us killed in the playoffs.

[SupDock]

Originally Posted by rabblerouser

Not according to the rules.

The spike play is ONLY to be used to stop the clock.

If it's not used to stop a running clock, it's then intentional grounding, no matter what.

According to the rules.

The clock was stopped.

You CAN'T spike the ball if the clock is stopped.

According to the rules. The pressure part never came into play because the clock was not going to start until the ball was snapped.

He should've ran a ****ing play.

According to me.

Classic Andy ****ing Reid clock management, Full Reidtard gonna get us killed in the playoffs.

Paste the section of the rule book stating this, and also, how is the clock not running as soon as the ball is snapped, thus allowing the ball to be spiked

[rabblerouser]

Originally Posted by SupDock

Paste the section of the rule book stating this, and also, how is the clock not running as soon as the ball is snapped, thus allowing the ball to be spiked

Per item 3:

"player under center is permitted to stop the game clock legally to save time"

If the clock isn't running, then therefore the player is not legally stopping the clock to save time; e.g. intentional grounding is the correct call.


The Browns got a penalty to stop the clock on the previous play.

The spike by Mahomes was not to prevent time from running off the clock, BECAUSE THE CLOCK WAS NOT RUNNING.

The clock has to be running in order to line up and spike the ball to save time.

It's in black and white, Line 3.

[DRM08]

Originally Posted by rabblerouser

Per item 3:

"player under center is permitted to stop the game clock legally to save time"

If the clock isn't running, then therefore the player is not legally stopping the clock to save time; e.g. intentional grounding is the correct call.


The Browns got a penalty to stop the clock on the previous play.

The spike by Mahomes was not to prevent time from running off the clock, BECAUSE THE CLOCK WAS NOT RUNNING.

The clock has to be running in order to line up and spike the ball to save time.

It's in black and white, Line 3.

The clock was running on that actual play. If he holds onto it, the clock runs.

[Hammock Parties]

Originally Posted by rabblerouser

The clock has to be running in order to line up and spike the ball to save time.

I mean, even if that's your interpretation, that's great.

But even so, the barest minimum stipulation for intentional grounding isn't met.

YOU CANNOT FLAG A QUARTERBACK FOR INTENTIONAL GROUNDING IF HE IS NOT UNDER PRESSURE.

END. OF. STORY.

[Hammock Parties]

Originally Posted by rabblerouser

You CAN'T spike the ball if the clock is stopped.

According to the rules.

Where does it say this?

Where does it then say an intentional grounding penalty is then to be levied?

Cite the section of the rulebook. Show me.

You're just making shit up that literally IS NOT IN THE RULEBOOK.

Just like that fat moron ref.