Ron Torbort should be fired

[rabblerouser]

Originally Posted by Hammock Parties

I don't know why any of this is confusing.

Mahomes met all the printed stipulations for a legal spike.

He avoided all of the printed stipulations for intentional grounding.

It's because the previous penalty stopped the clock; the spike is only allowed to stop the clock.

If the clock isn't running...then it's an intentional grounding, because, as the clock was already stopped due to the previous penalty, there was no running clock to stop.

Which would then make it intenational grounding.

Pretty cut and dried.

[Hammock Parties]

Originally Posted by rabblerouser

If the clock isn't running...then it's an intentional grounding

That's not in the rulebook.

There is no "spike" section in intentional grounding.

Rules aren't open to "interpretation" they are ironclad.

At the VERY LEAST a QB has to be under pressure for grounding to be called.

IT'S
IN
THE
RULEBOOK

[rabblerouser]

Originally Posted by Hammock Parties

That's not in the rulebook.

There is no "spike" section in intentional grounding.

Rules aren't open to "interpretation" they are ironclad.

At the VERY LEAST a QB has to be under pressure for grounding to be called.

IT'S
IN
THE
RULEBOOK

Per item 3:

"player under center is permitted to stop the game clock legally to save time"

If the clock isn't running, then therefore the player is not legally stopping the clock to save time; e.g. intentional grounding is the correct call.

[Hammock Parties]

Originally Posted by rabblerouser

Per item 3:

"player under center is permitted to stop the game clock legally to save time"

If the clock isn't running, then therefore the player is not legally stopping the clock to save time; e.g. intentional grounding is the correct call.

As soon as the ball was snapped the clock started running.

Nowhere does it say "clock must be running BEFORE the snap."

Again, I will say READ THE RULES.

What defines a spike? Stipulation met.

What defense intentional grounding? Stipulations avoided.

There's no other section of rules to consider except fantasy fat ref land rules.

[rabblerouser]

Originally Posted by Hammock Parties

As soon as the ball was snapped the clock started running.

Nowhere does it say "clock must be running BEFORE the snap."

Again, I will say READ THE RULES.

What defines a spike? Stipulation met.

What defense intentional grounding? Stipulations avoided.

There's no other section of rules to consider except fantasy fat ref land rules.

I REPEAT :


It's Per item 3:

"player under center is permitted to stop the game clock legally to save time"

Because if the clock isn't running before the play, then you're not saving any time by spiking the ball, correct?

Which, by definition of the rules, means it's not a legal spike.

Why did he spike the ball?

What strategic purpose did that serve??

The clock wasn't running and the 25 second clock hadn't even started yet; take your time, call a play at the line, an RPO, PLENTY of time...

The spike did not save time, as the clock wasn't running. Since the rules state that you can ONLY spike the ball TO SAVE TIME ON THE GAMECLOCK, he committed intentional grounding.

Per the rules in item 3.


Per item 3:

"player under center is permitted to stop the game clock legally to save time"

If the clock isn't running, then therefore the player is not legally stopping the clock to save time; e.g. intentional grounding is the correct call.

Otherwise, ANY incomplete/intentional grounding was "done to stop the clock, ref!"

[SupDock]

Originally Posted by rabblerouser

I REPEAT :


It's Per item 3:

"player under center is permitted to stop the game clock legally to save time"

Because if the clock isn't running before the play, then you're not saving any time by spiking the ball, correct?

Which, by definition of the rules, means it's not a legal spike.

Why did he spike the ball?

What strategic purpose did that serve??

The clock wasn't running and the 25 second clock hadn't even started yet; take your time, call a play at the line, an RPO, PLENTY of time...

The spike did not save time, as the clock wasn't running. Since the rules state that you can ONLY spike the ball TO SAVE TIME ON THE GAMECLOCK, he committed intentional grounding.

Per the rules in item 3.


Per item 3:

"player under center is permitted to stop the game clock legally to save time"

If the clock isn't running, then therefore the player is not legally stopping the clock to save time; e.g. intentional grounding is the correct call.

Otherwise, ANY incomplete/intentional grounding was "done to stop the clock, ref!"

the problem is, that once the ball is snapped the game clock is running and he is quote Saving Time by definition. I agree that it was a mistake, but I don't believe it violates the rules

[rabblerouser]

Originally Posted by SupDock

the problem is, that once the ball is snapped the game clock is running and he is quote Saving Time by definition. I agree that it was a mistake, but I don't believe it violates the rules

So if a team wants to throw a pass to stop the clock and not get intentional grounding, but the game clock isn't running?

You gotta throw at a receivers feet. Toward the line of scrimmage.

Or get outside the pocket REAL quick and throw it away.

According to the rules for like, 25 years or so.

It was a mistake.

On Reid and Mahomes.

Of course, the officials should have told them that the clock was stopped and that they would not wind it with the play clock...

But that's not what we're talking about here.

[kgrund]

Originally Posted by rabblerouser

I REPEAT :


It's Per item 3:

"player under center is permitted to stop the game clock legally to save time"

Because if the clock isn't running before the play, then you're not saving any time by spiking the ball, correct?

Which, by definition of the rules, means it's not a legal spike.

Why did he spike the ball?

What strategic purpose did that serve??

The clock wasn't running and the 25 second clock hadn't even started yet; take your time, call a play at the line, an RPO, PLENTY of time...

The spike did not save time, as the clock wasn't running. Since the rules state that you can ONLY spike the ball TO SAVE TIME ON THE GAMECLOCK, he committed intentional grounding.

Per the rules in item 3.


Per item 3:

"player under center is permitted to stop the game clock legally to save time"

If the clock isn't running, then therefore the player is not legally stopping the clock to save time; e.g. intentional grounding is the correct call.

Otherwise, ANY incomplete/intentional grounding was "done to stop the clock, ref!"

So what is the purpose of this rule? I am sure I am missing something, but it seems like a stupid rule. What is the harm of losing the down and proceeding to the next?