Chiefs Chiefs tag Ford - Page 16

**The Franchise** · 03-04-2019, 04:52 PM

The #Chiefs have franchise tagged Dee Ford, source said. Another pass rusher off the open market.
— Tom Pelissero (@TomPelissero) March 4, 2019

Sassy Squatch · 03-04-2019, 06:58 PM

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Originally Posted by Couch-Potato

What's your spot then? How high would the pick have to be, and who to, for you to be willing to trade Ford?

Green Bay at #30.

Chris Meck · 03-04-2019, 06:58 PM

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Originally Posted by O.city

Haven't said one time he's not a "playmaker". Making plays in the run game as as safety isn't as impactful as taking the ball away or making plays in the pass game as a safety.

Box safeties are also prime candidates to break down due to injury because they're smaller having to take on bigger blockers.

Box safeties are the Running back of the defense.

This is what I mean by 'you don't know what you're talking about'.

You equate SS as simply a 'box run defender'.

That's not a reality in the modern NFL. Landon Collins is NOT Daniel Sorensen.

He's not a 'good player', he's a GREAT PLAYER. A PLAYMAKER. In all aspects of the game. He covers TE's and backs in the passing game. He's an excellent run defender, yes, but to try to say that's all is DUMB. He's also an excellent blitzer. You keep indicating that he's just a force as a run stopper. That's an ignorant take. Ignorant in the true sense of the word; not as a slur. You don't know what you're talking about.

He's a 3 time ALL PRO at 25 years old. HE IS A PLAYMAKER. There are NOT guys like that in every draft. He's a special player, like Earl Thomas is. Like Berry WAS. He literally plays the position Berry has played most of his career snaps. So all the things you've seen Berry do-yeah, that's what Collins does.

If you sign Collins and re-unite him with Spags and then draft an Adderley you are set at Safety for the next 5 years. That is HUGE.

htismaqe · 03-04-2019, 07:00 PM

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Originally Posted by Superturtle

Green Bay at #30.

Yeah, that's a good spot.

I'd take a 2nd for him but only if it came with say a 4th and from a team that is picking in the top 10 or so of the 2nd round.

Sassy Squatch · 03-04-2019, 07:01 PM

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Originally Posted by Chris Meck

This is what I mean by 'you don't know what you're talking about'.

You equate SS as simply a 'box run defender'.

That's not a reality in the modern NFL. Landon Collins is NOT Daniel Sorensen.

He's not a 'good player', he's a GREAT PLAYER. A PLAYMAKER. In all aspects of the game. He covers TE's and backs in the passing game. He's an excellent run defender, yes, but to try to say that's all is DUMB. He's also an excellent blitzer. You keep indicating that he's just a force as a run stopper. That's an ignorant take. Ignorant in the true sense of the word; not as a slur. You don't know what you're talking about.

He's a 3 time ALL PRO at 25 years old. HE IS A PLAYMAKER. There are NOT guys like that in every draft. He's a special player, like Earl Thomas is. Like Berry WAS. He literally plays the position Berry has played most of his career snaps. So all the things you've seen Berry do-yeah, that's what Collins does.

If you sign Collins and re-unite him with Spags and then draft an Adderley you are set at Safety for the next 5 years. That is HUGE.

He's been an All Pro once. The **** are you spouting off "ignorant" for when you can't even get that right?

**SAUTO** · 03-04-2019, 07:01 PM

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Originally Posted by htismaqe

Yeah, that's a good spot.

I'd take a 2nd for him but only if it came with say a 4th and from a team that is picking in the top 10 or so of the 2nd round.

Agreed.

I'd throw stuff with him to get higher too...

O.city · 03-04-2019, 07:01 PM

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Originally Posted by htismaqe

Of course it does. But that's my whole point. What are the chances of him doing that? And what are the chances of that $16M preventing them from making other moves that might be more impactful not only with him but in the event he gets hurt or otherwise can't play at a high level?

Again, there's nothing in his past to suggest that he can put together two great seasons back to back. He's always been a "one on, one off" kind of guy. You're basically betting the 2019 season he can do something he hasn't done before.

I'm not taking that bet, sorry.

Sure, but that also doesn't mean he can't do it.

Whatever they do, they're gonna have to take some risks. The defensive build just didn't really time up with the QB. It sucks, but it's a suck that every other team in the league would take.

If you can get a premium pick for him, take it and see what you can do. But theres a scenario where it blows up and we have another season of what ifs. ;

I've seen Ford and waht he can do and if they feel his back injury has been taken care of, i'm not as worried about the other stuff.

It seems to be more of a "he doesn't fit the scheme and what we are gonna ask him to do so lets trade him" which is what it is. I'm not a fan of it, because you've gotta have talented players.

But either way, they need to take some chances

TwistedChief · 03-04-2019, 07:02 PM

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Originally Posted by Chris Meck

He's a 3 time all-pro, not a 'potential' all pro. He's 25 years old. He's a playmaker. To argue otherwise is stupid.

He's a one-time All Pro. Three-time Pro Bowler. Not exactly the same thing.

Chris Meck · 03-04-2019, 07:04 PM

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Originally Posted by Superturtle

He's been an All Pro once. The **** are you spouting off "ignorant" for when you can't even get that right?

twice, actually, my bad.

2016, 2017.

I had a read an article from ESPN that said 3.

They were wrong, so my source was wrong.

So are you. He is in fact, a two time pro bowler.

I stand corrected.

O.city · 03-04-2019, 07:04 PM

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Originally Posted by Chris Meck

This is what I mean by 'you don't know what you're talking about'.

You equate SS as simply a 'box run defender'.

That's not a reality in the modern NFL. Landon Collins is NOT Daniel Sorensen.

He's not a 'good player', he's a GREAT PLAYER. A PLAYMAKER. In all aspects of the game. He covers TE's and backs in the passing game. He's an excellent run defender, yes, but to try to say that's all is DUMB. He's also an excellent blitzer. You keep indicating that he's just a force as a run stopper. That's an ignorant take. Ignorant in the true sense of the word; not as a slur. You don't know what you're talking about.

He's a 3 time ALL PRO at 25 years old. HE IS A PLAYMAKER. There are NOT guys like that in every draft. He's a special player, like Earl Thomas is. Like Berry WAS. He literally plays the position Berry has played most of his career snaps. So all the things you've seen Berry do-yeah, that's what Collins does.

If you sign Collins and re-unite him with Spags and then draft an Adderley you are set at Safety for the next 5 years. That is HUGE.

He's an excellent run defender. He's good covering TE's and backs. He's not shown to this point he's elite in that area, nor has he shown to be consistently elite playing deep.

You're gonna have to make him the highest paid safety in the NFL to get him to KC.

Stop being a fanboy.

duncan_idaho · 03-04-2019, 07:04 PM

I’m with htismaq on this one.

Yes, the Chiefs would need to reinvest if they cut/trade Houston and trade Ford. But I’d be happy taking those savings and using them on different defensive players.

Trey Flowers would be a huge upgrade for me over Ford. Not only is he much better all-around player, he’s also a savvy, smart player.

If the Chiefs can add 1-2 picks in the top 90 for Ford, when combined with the cap savings, it’s a win to me.

Sweet Daddy Hate · 03-04-2019, 07:05 PM

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Originally Posted by comochiefsfan

Ford is a one trick pony who has benefitted from playing on the same line as Justin Houston.

He's abysmal against the run, does NOTHING for the defense besides pressure the quarterback. His football IQ is nonexistent.

Yeah, no way in hell you're giving that dude a big contract.

Exactly. And You KNOW he's headed to the bench in 2019. You can feel it in your plums. It's time.

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Originally Posted by SAUTO

I agree

Didn't you feel this coming all along? I certainly hoped for it, I felt it was the best thing we could and should do, but I wasn't 100% certain that the Chiefs had TRULY acquired a set of steel balls big enough to do it.

Andy brought a serious change to the offensive side of the ball and to the culture overall, but now we're shoring up the other half. This is what a franchise that is done ****ing around looks like.

Feels great.

**SAUTO** · 03-04-2019, 07:06 PM

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Originally Posted by Sweet Daddy Hate

Exactly. And You KNOW he's headed to the bench in 2019. You can feel it in your plums. It's time.

Didn't you feel this coming all along? I certainly hoped for it, I felt it was the best thing we could and should do, but I wasn't 100% certain that the Chiefs had TRULY acquired a set of steel balls big enough to do it.

Andy brought a serious change to the offensive side of the ball and to the culture overall, but now we're shoring up the other half. This is what a franchise that is done ****ing around looks like.

Feels great.

It's definitely exciting if it all goes down.

I think the defense is ready for a new beginning

O.city · 03-04-2019, 07:07 PM

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Originally Posted by duncan_idaho

I’m with htismaq on this one.

Yes, the Chiefs would need to reinvest if they cut/trade Houston and trade Ford. But I’d be happy taking those savings and using them on different defensive players.

Trey Flowers would be a huge upgrade for me over Ford. Not only is he much better all-around player, he’s also a savvy, smart player.

If the Chiefs can add 1-2 picks in the top 90 for Ford, when combined with the cap savings, it’s a win to me.

You ok giving him 14 or 15 mil per year?

Chris Meck · 03-04-2019, 07:08 PM

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Originally Posted by O.city

He's an excellent run defender. He's good covering TE's and backs. He's not shown to this point he's elite in that area, nor has he shown to be consistently elite playing deep.

You're gonna have to make him the highest paid safety in the NFL to get him to KC.

Stop being a fanboy.

No you won't. (have to make him the highest paid safety)

And, like Flowers (playing for Daly) he has played for Spags. Young, excellent players in key spots that already know he scheme. That's a smart thing to do.

Sassy Squatch · 03-04-2019, 07:08 PM

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Originally Posted by Chris Meck

twice, actually, my bad.

2016, 2017.

I had a read an article from ESPN that said 3.

They were wrong, so my source was wrong.

So are you. He is in fact, a two time pro bowler.

I stand corrected.

What?!? The All Pro safeties in 2017 were as follows; Kevin Byard, Tennessee Titans. Harrison Smith, Minnesota Vikings. Earl Thomas, Seattle Seattle. Micah Hyde, Buffalo Bills.

Where are you doing your research?

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