Major Update on Tyreek Hill [old thread, don't freak out]

[VAGOMO 4 LIFE!]

Today at 3:00, Steve will be holding a press conference regarding the criminal investigation involving Tyreek Hill and Crystal Espinal. This will be held in our 4th floor conference room.

— Johnson County KS DA (@JohnsonCoDA) April 24, 2019

From @NFLTotalAccess: The latest on #Chiefs WR Tyreek Hill... pic.twitter.com/5xEpODrhuf

— Ian Rapoport (@RapSheet) April 25, 2019

[Beef Supreme]

Originally Posted by Superturtle

You're welcome to discuss whatever the **** you want. Maybe duncan is a malicious liar with an axe to grind. Maybe he was sold a false bill of goods by somebody else with an axe to grind. Sure as shit the DA is politically driven, the media wants a story, and the CPS/DFS are laughably incompetent most of the time.

I'm just using the info that is publicly known as well as heresey from others that all matches up to come to my own conclusion.

And I'm just saying that incomplete information and heresay is a pretty ****ed up way to determine someone's guilt or innocence.

I don't know what happened. I know they didn't charge Tyreek Hill with anything. So I think reading shit on the internet and judging him guilty would be a pretty shitty thing to do.

[mr. tegu]

Originally Posted by srvy

I want to add I trust Duncan's posts and is a pretty good guy from what I have seen from his posts. But honestly shouldn't spread news like that that hasn't been released to the public. He knows the person and trusts them but none of us know them. A person that works in a profession that deals with this sort of business can have a very skewed idea of what happened here. WE dont know how or why they think this and what training they have in the matter.

They are also breaking the law and making ethical violations enough to lose jobs if they are releasing information. They clearly aren’t trustworthy and don’t value the confidentially and privacy they are bound to. So either these so called sources need to be reported for violations so they can rightfully lose their jobs or we should ignore their reports as nothing more than speculation.

[Chris Meck]

Originally Posted by Halfcan

With my own dealings with Children's Mercy, DFS and law enforcement- we were told they could not do anything unless our Grandson has a severe injury (I guess being beaten, burned and bitten does not count) and they specifically stated a BROKEN Limb that has evidence of being twisted, or a blunt trauma impact causing the break.

So in Reek's case- If one of these things occurred- the hospital would have a Legal Obligation to call the police. Both parents would be arrested and it would be sorted out from there. As a parent- you are responsible for your child's safety at all times.

No charges were filed. As far as afterward, if the kid was beaten so terrible as Duncan stated- once again Both parents or whoever was watching him at the time, would be arrested and then it would be investigated. Unfortunately, it seems that once again CPS and law enforcement have bungled this case. The kid was hurt and somone got away with it.

Well, you can assume also that this is not a normal case, of normal people. This is a high profile individual who works for a HUGE and wealthy organization with a LOT of power in the community. Conversely, there may or may not be reasons for individuals to jump on this and run with it for their own personal reasons and/or professional gain.

So it's a shitshow. I think we can all agree on that.

[philfree]

Originally Posted by TwistedChief

You are free to believe what you want. I've seen multiple instances where these people clearly had information that no one was aware of that soon made its way into the public sphere.

Those of you pointing out that Duncan has hated Hill since day 1 are grasping at some very thin straws.

I'm not grasping at anything or repeating hearsay as fact as some are. I'm also not going to put any stock in the hearsay either. If Hill is guilty it will come out so I think I'll wait for that.

[Sassy Squatch]

Originally Posted by Beef Supreme

And I'm just saying that incomplete information and heresay is a pretty ****ed up way to determine someone's guilt or innocence.

I don't know what happened. I know they didn't charge Tyreek Hill with anything. So I think reading shit on the internet and judging him guilty would be a pretty shitty thing to do.

Again, nobody here is determining shit. Nobody here has the power to judge him guilty or innocent. This is a discussion of OPINIONS, which have absolutely no relevance to anything that matters whatsoever. It's already been explained that unless more evidence is found this case is closed as far as criminal charges go. The NFL is a different story, but sounds like they're waiting on CPS.

[jettio]

Originally Posted by Chris Meck

Sure, but the thing about a second chance is that...there's a history there. You're already on a short rope. That's not unfair; you've shown yourself to be a bad apple, and you have to change that perception. It's not everyone else's fault they're suspicious of you, you have given reason to be.

I agree that we don't know what's going on. It could be that his parents (who clearly didn't instill the best uhh...let's say coping skills in their son) did this; or Crystal (although isn't she like a teacher or something? Seems like maybe she'd have better childcare skills than average) or her parents or some extended family member.

I also think that it's important for the organization to come forward with whatever they've got. They sell us a product, we buy it, we have a right as consumers to know what we're buying and make our own decision about it. They can't let this just hang around.

So being a buyer of football tickets is the way to get around the child protection laws that require confidentiality so that families can be compelled to participate.

It could simply be not supervising the kid's playtime well enough to prevent accidents. Or even playing with the kid and an accidental injury happening.

I think part of this post Ray Rice story is people being jealous of the money the players can make, and using some claim of protecting the poor and innocent women and children as some high horse to ride to ruin people.

I think the innocent women and children will be better helped if Daddy gets paid. Preachy people really do not care about the women and children as much as they care about knocking someone else down.

[MightyMouse]

Originally Posted by Chris Meck

they just can't prove who did it.

Because there is no evidence against Hill or Crystal?

[jd1020]

Originally Posted by MightyMouse

Because there is no evidence against Hill or Crystal?

via GIPHY

[Halfcan]

Originally Posted by Chris Meck

Well, you can assume also that this is not a normal case, of normal people. This is a high profile individual who works for a HUGE and wealthy organization with a LOT of power in the community. Conversely, there may or may not be reasons for individuals to jump on this and run with it for their own personal reasons and/or professional gain.

So it's a shitshow. I think we can all agree on that.

This! Everyone is looking out for their own agenda. But it is Reek's son that has paid the price.

[Beef Supreme]

Originally Posted by Superturtle

Again, nobody here is determining shit. Nobody here has the power to judge him guilty or innocent. This is a discussion of OPINIONS, which have absolutely no relevance to anything that matters whatsoever. It's already been explained that unless more evidence is found this case is closed as far as criminal charges go. The NFL is a different story, but sounds like they're waiting on CPS.

Oh believe me, I think it's a good thing you don't have the power to judge him in a legal sense. Because you've already made up your mind based on heresay and incomplete information. Unfortunately, people like you get put on jury duty all the time.

[Sassy Squatch]

Originally Posted by Beef Supreme

Oh believe me, I think it's a good thing you don't have the power to judge him in a legal sense. Because you've already made up your mind based on heresay and incomplete information. Unfortunately, people like you get put on jury duty all the time.

Nah. I get out of Jury Duty by wearing cargo shorts to the courtroom. They just sneer and send my ass back home.

[Chris Meck]

Originally Posted by jettio

So being a buyer of football tickets is the way to get around the child protection laws that require confidentiality so that families can be compelled to participate.

It could simply be not supervising the kid's playtime well enough to prevent accidents. Or even playing with the kid and an accidental injury happening.

I think part of this post Ray Rice story is people being jealous of the money the players can make, and using some claim of protecting the poor and innocent women and children as some high horse to ride to ruin people.

I think the innocent women and children will be better helped if Daddy gets paid. Preachy people really do not care about the women and children as much as they care about knocking someone else down.

Whoa.

don't project your bullshit on ME.

I have no problems with the money these guys make. They don't live as long, their bodies get destroyed, many of them end up brain damaged, and they generate billions of dollars for owners and the league. They're also exceptional physical specimens of what a human body can be, and as such they're entitled to whatever they can get.

It's entertainment available to the public. It's a product. As consumers you have a right to know what you're buying. The team and the league as a larger entity has a responsibility here as well.

There are certain privacy elements that are compromised with celebrity and fame. It's part of the deal.

There will be more investigation, and there will be explanations. It would be public relations suicide for the organization for there not to be.

I hope it turns out he didn't do it. i really do. I hope it was another family member, who's not allowed around the child anymore, and the kid is safe and we can all cheer for Hill on Sundays with a clear conscience.

[jd1020]

It's just weird to me that there are some people who think just because a child cant/wont speak for themselves and nobody else is willing to that Hill is exonerated of all things in the matter.

And I'll end it on that note unless something further comes of this.

[carcosa]

I hope Tyreek didn't do anything! I hope the kids stay healthy and safe! I also don't know enough one way or the other, so until something actually comes out that says Tyreek did something, I'll be hoping he stays on the roster of my #1 favorite NFL football team!

Thanks!

[carcosa]

(The most frustrating part of this story is that I want to believe that people can change and reform themselves, and it seemed like Tyreek had done so until this came out! If we believe that once a person has done a terrible thing, they are a terrible person for life no matter what, then the world is an even darker place than it seems!)