Tom Brady teases NFL return, says 'I still have more to prove'

[Deberg_1990]

What does he have left to prove?

[lcarus]

Originally Posted by Deberg_1990

What does he have left to prove?

That he wasn't just a more accurate, more clutch version of Matt Cassel his whole career who succeeded because of the cheating Belichick system, horribly inept division competition, the refs in their back pocket, great kickers and a whole lot of luck in a lot of games.

He'll fail hard because A) that's all true and B) he's too old to prove otherwise even if he could which he can't because A)

[Lilmrp117]

Originally Posted by lcarus

That he wasn't just a more accurate, more clutch version of Matt Cassel his whole career who succeeded because of the cheating Belichick system, horribly inept division competition, the refs in their back pocket, great kickers and a whole lot of luck in a lot of games.

He'll fail hard because A) that's all true and B) he's too old to prove otherwise even if he could which he can't because A)

This gets overlooked a lot, but straight up stupid luck has contributed to the majority of his super bowls if you look back at it carefully. The tuck rule game saved him for the first super bowl, pete carrol gave him another super bowl win, the falcons ridiculous collapse gave him another, and dee ford offsides another. A normal player would be lucky to just have half of these events go their way, but this lucky bastard has all of them go his way.

I really hate pete carrol, the falcons and dee ford for making it so that people can argue that brady is the GOAT. I would have loved to see brady go up against the defenses in the 80's with the rules from that time that montana and marino faced. He'd probably just do what he does nowadays - throw himself to the ground to avoid the other team putting his ass on the ground. I hope next season he breaks his hip while throwing himself to the ground to avoid a hit.

[DRM08]

Originally Posted by Lilmrp117

This gets overlooked a lot, but straight up stupid luck has contributed to the majority of his super bowls if you look back at it carefully. The tuck rule game saved him for the first super bowl, pete carrol gave him another super bowl win, the falcons ridiculous collapse gave him another, and dee ford offsides another. A normal player would be lucky to just have half of these events go their way, but this lucky bastard has all of them go his way.

I really hate pete carrol, the falcons and dee ford for making it so that people can argue that brady is the GOAT. I would have loved to see brady go up against the defenses in the 80's with the rules from that time that montana and marino faced. He'd probably just do what he does nowadays - throw himself to the ground to avoid the other team putting his ass on the ground. I hope next season he breaks his hip while throwing himself to the ground to avoid a hit.

Pats have had plenty of good luck for sure. But flip side is the flukey catch by the Giants WR and the flukey performance by Nick Foles.

The one that pisses me off to this day is the tuck rule in the snow. Raiders had them beat. Jerry Rice was my favorite football player as a kid. Hated to see him lose that game in such a BS manner. And then the Pats turn into a dynasty after that. Who knows what would have happened if the tuck rule never bailed them out in the first place.

[GoChargers]

Originally Posted by Deberg_1990

What does he have left to prove?

For starters, he could prove that the Patriots' legacy of cheating isn't the only reason he didn't have a Trent Dilfer-level career at best.

[chinaski]

Originally Posted by Deberg_1990

What does he have left to prove?

Osteoporosis Supplements and Metamucil aren't PED's

[Three7s]

Originally Posted by Deberg_1990

What does he have left to prove?

That men in wheelchairs can still play football.

[Mennonite]

Originally Posted by Three7s

That men in wheelchairs can still play football.

He's gonna play so long he'll be endorsing a line of unisex Gucci colostomy bags before his career is over.

[Chris Meck]

Originally Posted by Deberg_1990

What does he have left to prove?

that he can win without Belichick.

[Imon Yourside]

Originally Posted by Chris Meck

that he can win without Belichick.

He couldn't win WITH Belichick this year so how will that work with say the 15th ranked defense?

[Chris Meck]

Originally Posted by Imon Yourside

He couldn't win WITH Belichick this year so how will that work with say the 15th ranked defense?

because they were short on offensive talent.

The argument has always been: Is it Brady, or is it Belichick?

I think they both want to prove they each were the reason for the 6 rings and 9 appreances in the 'bowl.

if Brady goes elsewhere and wins it, and I think HE thinks he can, then his ego will be assuaged.

Personally, I think it was both, and Belichick could win with another QB, but that team is not ready to seriously compete offensive talent-wise.

Brady would need a supporting cast at this point, and a good offensive mind running things. Like a Reid, a Payton, someone like that.

[RealSNR]

Originally Posted by Chris Meck

because they were short on offensive talent.

The argument has always been: Is it Brady, or is it Belichick?

I think they both want to prove they each were the reason for the 6 rings and 9 appreances in the 'bowl.

if Brady goes elsewhere and wins it, and I think HE thinks he can, then his ego will be assuaged.

Personally, I think it was both, and Belichick could win with another QB, but that team is not ready to seriously compete offensive talent-wise.

Brady would need a supporting cast at this point, and a good offensive mind running things. Like a Reid, a Payton, someone like that.

Sorry, but no, Brady was NOT short on offensive talent. It was basically the same ****ing team he had last year. Same RBs. Same WRs. Same offensive coaching staff. His LT was injured last year? So was the LT this year.

One thing changed. Gimped Gronk retired. One ****ing slow ass TE was all the difference for a 41 year old QB vs the 42-year old abortion we saw this year?

Scratch that. One more thing changed. Brady changed. He advanced another year in his 40s in the NFL. He was a huge part of the offensive decline for the Patriots.

[Chris Meck]

Originally Posted by RealSNR

Sorry, but no, Brady was NOT short on offensive talent. It was basically the same ****ing team he had last year. Same RBs. Same WRs. Same offensive coaching staff. His LT was injured last year? So was the LT this year.

One thing changed. Gimped Gronk retired. One ****ing slow ass TE was all the difference for a 41 year old QB vs the 42-year old abortion we saw this year?

Scratch that. One more thing changed. Brady changed. He advanced another year in his 40s in the NFL. He was a huge part of the offensive decline for the Patriots.

I think you misunderstand my stance.

I think HE thinks he can win it.

I don't think he can. I think he might Brad Johnson his way into one if he landed on a team with an elite defense (and no, New England's defense was not elite. It feasted on a shit schedule and couldn't beat good offenses.)

He is no longer elite himself. That is clear.

and they were playing with Sanu and a rookie at WR at the end. And no Gronk. And a shit offensive line.

There's more to it than just his decline, but clearly there is a decline in his ability, no argument there.

[JakeF]

I think Belichek wants to move on and prove he can win without Brady.


Kraft already made him keep Brady instead of moving on to Garoppolo. That's why Belicheck traded Garoppolo for cheap. He was pissed and wanted to make sure Garoppolo was very successful and Kraft would see what he missed out on.

The only way that Brady is a Patriot next year is if Kraft makes it happen again.

[Hugh Jayniss]

Originally Posted by RealSNR

One thing changed. Gimped Gronk retired. One ****ing slow ass TE was all the difference for a 41 year old QB vs the 42-year old abortion we saw this year?

I sure wish that we had that slow ass TE playing for the Chiefs for the last 5 years. We might have won it all last year with Gronk!