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Old 02-22-2004, 09:57 AM  
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Just read a recent post on Bailey on the Insiders.. It sounded like the Chiefs were closing in on a deal.. What have you guys heard?

Link: http://story.theinsiders.com/a.z?s=115&p=2&c=236269

I read that Gibbs was so-so on Bailey. Chiefs need this guy badly!!!!
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Old 02-22-2004, 12:45 PM   #76
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To keep winning you have to keep getting good back ups. The win it all now is what fans want. But put out a loosing team & you can not hike ticket prices, not as high any way.



OK what do you suggest........?????
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Old 02-22-2004, 12:46 PM   #77
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If you remember that's what DV said when they decided to let Donnie Edwards go.......That's been 2 or 3 years ago and the Chiefs still need help on D..........



Call Morten in and tell him he needs to restructure.............
I assume you meant Morton asi in Johnny not Morten as in Anderson.
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Old 02-22-2004, 12:47 PM   #78
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tags tie up cap money ... so the money issue stays the same.


and i don't think you can the franchise and transition tag in the same year.
well the franchise tag allows you to get the player to sign a 1 year deal worth the average for that position/expereince...so not too much cap room...I dunno about the transistion tag, cuz I don't think CP has ever used it ...I'll do some research...brb
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Old 02-22-2004, 12:50 PM   #79
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Transition tag allows you to match any offer the player recieves from another team.....I haven't seen anything that says you cannot use both in at the same time
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Old 02-22-2004, 12:51 PM   #80
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I assume you meant Morton asi in Johnny not Morten as in Anderson.
Anderson should just retire ...
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Old 02-22-2004, 12:52 PM   #81
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OK what do you suggest........?????
someone cheaper than Champ Bailey, or some cap friendly deal with him if possible. No way do I see Champ being to the Chiefs what Dale Carter was to the Donks but I worry
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Old 02-22-2004, 01:14 PM   #82
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King Carl has got to love what NE has done this year.
He will be touting the copycat league line
The same New England that has a PRO BOWL Corner Back and that they pay big bucks for?Hmmmmmm
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Old 02-22-2004, 01:20 PM   #83
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you actually think that John Tait and Jerome Woods are worth more than Champ Bailey?

give me Champ Bailey,Shaunard Harts and marcus Spears in the starting lineup over Warfield,Tait,Woods.
Wow is that scary. Marcus Spears had numerous chances to start and hasn't cashed in. The guy cried when we moved Tait to right tackle. He whined so much that he was in Vermeil's dog house for an entire season. And Shaunard Harts? Do you remember how bad our D was with Harts at safety? He can hit like a truck but he's slower than cat piss.

I like Champ Bailey, and think he has a ton of talent. But messing with the Offensive Line is suicide as far as I am concerned. You start plugging new people in, and your asking for trouble, even though it's just one player. And Jerome Woods has done nothing but good things since he's been here. So the answer is hell no, I wouldn't give up a first round RT, and an anchor on the line in John Tait, and a Pro Bowl safety for Champ Bailey. Especially adding in the fact that we'll be required to give up at least a 1st and 2nd round draft pick.
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I assume you meant Morton asi in Johnny not Morten as in Anderson.



Touche'..........
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well the franchise tag allows you to get the player to sign a 1 year deal worth the average for that position/expereince...so not too much cap room...I dunno about the transistion tag, cuz I don't think CP has ever used it ...I'll do some research...brb
iirc the franchise tag number for tait is 1 year 4.8 million ... that's alot of cap space.

these 1 year deals actually take up more cap space than the long term one do because the bonus isn't pro rated over several years.


transition tag is top 10 ... so woods would be several million too.


i'm not sure about using dual tags... but i think i just remember something awhile back about it.
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someone cheaper than Champ Bailey, or some cap friendly deal with him if possible. No way do I see Champ being to the Chiefs what Dale Carter was to the Donks but I worry


Hell, I'd be cheaper then Bailey......Somehow I don't think you want a fat,white, 42 year old guy as a shut down CB just to save $$$$$$..........
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iirc the franchise tag number for tait is 1 year 4.8 million ... that's alot of cap space.

these 1 year deals actually take up more cap space than the long term one do because the bonus isn't pro rated over several years.


transition tag is top 10 ... so woods would be several million too.


i'm not sure about using dual tags... but i think i just remember something awhile back about it.
yeah I didn't think about that...that could really screw our cap space unless we could restructure Bailey's contract?
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Hell, I'd be cheaper then Bailey......Somehow I don't think you want a fat,white, 42 year old guy as a shut down CB just to save $$$$$$..........
yes, I am cheap. Thank God I'm not a Colts fan, I'd be
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yeah I didn't think about that...that could really screw our cap space unless we could restructure Bailey's contract?
probably the best thing we can do is just find a way to agree to a deal with tait and woods long term without screwing up our cap short term.



i wouldn't mind McCalister ... he would be cheaper in trade and cap
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probably the best thing we can do is just find a way to agree to a deal with tait and woods long term without screwing up our cap short term.



i wouldn't mind McCalister ... he would be cheaper in trade and cap
You think Baltimoe is going to let him get away?
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