Bailey Rumors

[HuddleClubKid]

Just read a recent post on Bailey on the Insiders.. It sounded like the Chiefs were closing in on a deal.. What have you guys heard?

Link: http://story.theinsiders.com/a.z?s=115&p=2&c=236269

I read that Gibbs was so-so on Bailey. Chiefs need this guy badly!!!!

[Eleazar]

Originally Posted by munkey

...we would have looked for ANY free agent corner for the last three years to do the job.

Dexter McCleon did a pretty damn fine job IMO.

He's not Champ Bailey, not a shutdown corner, but how many times did you see him get roasted deep for a touchdown, Bartee/Warfield style? Warfield got beat deep for a TD by 267 year old Jerry Rice for crying out loud. McCleon is twice the corner Warfield is.

Then there were his 6 interceptions. Early in the season when we were getting turnovers we were winning. Later in the year when we didn't, we weren't.

McCleon was a great acquisition at corner and did a damn fine job. You have to give Carl and Vermeil credit for that one.

[munkey]

Originally Posted by BigChiefFan

I'm NOT-I want the Chiefs to win it all.

Yep...and every superbowl team has had an edge weather it be talent, health or coaching. IMO the Pats won on coaching other than talent and that's why we hear and see DV assessing his job on a consistant basis.

It's ship, capitan, crew and that in some regards is all there is to it.

If I'm wrong than how else to you explain the Panthers?


Just something to chew on.

[BigChiefFan]

Originally Posted by munkey

Yep...and every superbowl team has had an edge weather it be talent, health or coaching. IMO the Pats won on coaching other than talent and that's why we hear and see DV assessing his job on a consistant basis.

It's ship, capitan, crew and that in some regards is all there is to it.

If I'm wrong than how else to you explain the Panthers?


Just something to chew on.

Again the Pats have PRO BOWL CB Ty Law.He makes MORE money than Champ Bailey.The Pats have had no problem paying him because they KNOW how important having a shut down Corner is to their defense.

[munkey]

Originally Posted by Cochise

McCleon was a great acquisition at corner and did a damn fine job. You have to give Carl and Vermeil credit for that one.

I thought he did a great job...

But he did GET those interception's during the first 8 games. IMO as soon as we lost Maz the D went south (as we all know).

This all boils down to last years scheme and I know it but if Gun is the answer, why do we need Champ when we Dexter and Warfield?

[Mr. Laz]

Originally Posted by tk13

Maybe I shouldn't have said "nothing", I guess I forgot it was most definitely McCleon and Warfield's fault Portis ran for 5 touchdowns.....

actually on one of the portis runs Vermeil SAID that Warfield took the wrong gap that led to the 60 yard portis run.


1. Good Corners can go man on man ... which allows safeties to play closer to the line of scrimmage and cover tightends

2. with safeties on tightend instead of linebackers(see shannon sharpe for 200 yards) you get better tightend coverage.

3. since the linebackers don't have to fall into coverage they can attack the line of scrimmage with run support and blitzes.

4. when we blitz with a linebacker we don't have to drop a defensive lineman into coverage because the safeties are closer to the line of scrimmage and can slider over instead.

5. that means we now have 7 defenders(4 DL,3 LB) playing the run instead of just the 4 defensive lineman. Just the numbers alone will clog more lanes and improve the run defense.



all these things started with better corner coverage


not to mention the 140 tackles the cornerback got on our team last year

[Eleazar]

Originally Posted by lazarus

actually on one of the portis runs Vermeil SAID that Warfield took the wrong gap and that leave to the 60 yard portis run.

You're right. Also, on the postgame show on 101 the Fox, Eric Warfield said that he "lined up on the wrong side of the field" and that he was at fault for it.

Originally Posted by munkey

why do we need Champ when we [have] Dexter and Warfield?

Allright, we'll just agree to disagree. This is where I shake my head and leave the discussion

[JazzzLovr]

Originally Posted by LVNHACK

...Two first rounders, let's see that's #30 this year and #32 next...

I like the way you think.

[Wile_E_Coyote]

Originally Posted by Rausch

NE added to their defensive line and a LOT of quality depth, so when they did get injuries their team didn't fall apart like ours did two years ago....

Tampa Added stability to the QB position, a new head coach that costed TWO first round picks and two 2nd's (IIRC), and Keenan McCardel (WR.)

The Rams added a new DC, spent a first round pick in a trade for (here it is, pay attention) A CORNERBACK, and signed two new offensive lineman. (ANY of that sound familar? )

And the Panthers TRADED for Stephen Davis....

yes it sounds familiar & even more so to DV. But if you want to go for it all now, why not sign cheaper-Vincent and have more $$ for other positions.

[BigChiefFan]

Originally Posted by lazarus

actually on one of the portis runs Vermeil SAID that Warfield took the wrong gap and that leave to the 60 yard portis run.


1. Good Corners can go man on man ... which allows safeties to play closer to the line of scrimmage and cover tightends

2. with safeties on tightend instead of linebackers(see shannon sharpe for 200 yards) you get better tightend coverage.

3. since the linebackers don't have to fall into coverage they can attack the line of scrimmage with run support and blitzes.

4. when we blitz with a linebacker we don't have to drop a defensive lineman into coverage because the safeties are closer to the line of scrimmage and can slider over instead.

5. that means we now have 7 defenders(4 DL,3 LB) playing the run instead of just the 4 defensive lineman. Just the numbers alone will clog more lanes and improve the run defense.



all these things started with better corner coverage


not to mention the 140 tackles the cornerback got on our team last year

Great post!! A cover corner in Gunther's scheme is a must.Some think McCleon can fill in.I agree that McCleon had a very good year,but he is not the big cover corner that Gunther covets and will most likely become the nickleback or the FS if Woods isn't retained.McCleon is NOT the answer in a GUNTHER D.

[Wile_E_Coyote]

Originally Posted by BigChiefFan

Again I mentioned the Patriots having a PRO BOWL Corner Back named Ty Law,but you must have missed that one.Guess how much he makes?
Surely you aren't implying that the BUCS defense didn't get them to the big dance are you?

The time is now,the window is two years,regardless if when win it all or not in two years we WILL be rebuilding.We might as well go out and do everything we can to give us the best odds of winning the Super Bowl.We have tried for nearly 15 years of replacing players in FA with the same type players.There is RARELY an UPGRADE,so why not go with the closest thing to a sure thing in a 4 year Pro Bowler who is still VERY YOUNG?Sometimes it seems like some are CONTENT with staying mediocre.I'm NOT-I want the Chiefs to win it all.

How much does Law make, what will Bailey cost?

[BigChiefFan]

Originally Posted by Wile_E_Coyote

yes it sounds familiar & even more so to DV. But if you want to go for it all now, why not sign cheaper-Vincent and have more $$ for other positions.

Because Vincent is on the DOWN-side of his career.Bailey is in his prime.

[tk13]

I don't know why everyone's attacking me, I don't disagree with a single thing that's been said here. I said I shouldn't have said they had "no impact", we all know better than that. I don't think Champ Bailey or anybody would've mattered in that Denver game because that defense couldn't stop things when they absolutely knew what was coming over the last 2 years. I've said 350 million times I don't think any of that is a problem anymore and that we would be serviceable now just because of a coaching change. I agree with a lot of what's being said here, I was just making a remark regarding how everyone was complaining because we weren't looking at FA's supposedly and how the front office just didn't care and now the tune had changed somewhat. Instead, one little statement out of my post that I could care less about gets turned into some huge deal... it's like I'm running for President.

[munkey]

Originally Posted by Cochise

Allright, we'll just agree to disagree. This is where I shake my head and leave the discussion

Either your I'm drunk or I need to down a few more to understand your reply.


Did you even read my "whole" post?

Agree to dissagree?

[Rausch]

Originally Posted by Wile_E_Coyote

yes it sounds familiar & even more so to DV. But if you want to go for it all now, why not sign cheaper-Vincent and have more $$ for other positions.

Let's pretend that's what we do. We sign Vincent. That contract will be the LAST contract he ever signs. He's got 2-3 years left in this league before he retires or Joins Rod Woodson at FS. He's going to want us to show him the money. Bailey would likely be CHEAPER at this point because we could back-load a longer term (5-7 year) contract. See Holmes or Green's contracts for similar approach. We don't have that option with Vincent because he KNOWS he won't ever be around to see that late-year payday...He's a good player though, and would be a solid addition.

THEN who do we target? What IMPACT LB or DL are out there? Is there a Warren Sapp talent at DT?

No....

Is there a Jevon Kearse at End who ISN'T always injured?

No...Winstrom is likely the most solid DE available. He's good, but no stud. I'll pretend we somehow land BOTH Vincent and Winstrom. Our defense is better. This year. But that's it. We've blown our wad.

This is just MHO but I'd rather improve our WR's and sign a STUD CB...We take a step up on offense AND on defense. A CB like Bailey allows us to blitz (making up for a lack of pass rush on from the D line) and we won't get burned with him locking up on his guy.

[Logical]

Originally Posted by tk13

Alexander would be right up Gibbs' alley...

As for the Chiefs, the defense has to find a way to stop the run first and foremost. If we can't do that, blowing a zillion dollars on Champ Bailey isn't going to accomplish much but allow him to rack up his tackle numbers as Clinton Portis shreds the front 7. I think bringing in Gunther alone should help remedy this quite a bit... that's why I want Bailey... but for all the people on here who were wanting all kinds of change on defense and were complaining about how standing pat showed the front office doesn't care, I'm surprised so many are able to accept just adding one guy who has nothing to do with our biggest weakness on defense. I think the WR's we face next year have nothing on the running backs we'll see. The run defense MUST be solid next year, we face Portis x 2, Tomlinson x 2, Jamal Lewis, Deuce McAllister, Fred Taylor, Michael Vick, Warrick Dunn, Stephen Davis, Edgerrin James, Eddie George, Dominick Davis... all of those guys have the ability to go for 100+ against a porous defense...

I kind of think the fact we have drafted Sims, Freeman, Wilkerson, Downing, Sharpe in the last three years while having added Truluck and just resigned Browning might be telling us nothing is going to happen along the defensive line. I would not be against getting a top notch MLB do you know of one that is available? I think the reason people are concentrating on CB is that it is a position of obvious need, there are a number of them available and most importantly we figure we only at most have a shot at 1 player based on what has been said by DV if that many.