Thoughts the day after

[ToxSocks]

Originally Posted by comochiefsfan

We were in an almost identical situation in the 2nd Raiders game last year. We didn't run the ball once and Patrick led us to a game winning TD with ease.

This time, Andy cut Patrick's balls off and gave the ball to CEH in an attempt to set Butker up for a 50 yard field goal. We lost.

It's as simple as that. Put the ball in Mahomes' hands and we win. Take it out and we lose.

This is silly.

They trying to kill clock so they could make sure they had the last score. Running was the right thing to do.

Mahomes can't do every goddamn thing. At some point the ball handlers have to handle the ball.

[comochiefsfan]

Originally Posted by Detoxing

This is silly.

They trying to kill clock so they could make sure they had the last score. Running was the right thing to do.

Mahomes can't do every goddamn thing. At some point the ball handlers have to handle the ball.

There was 1:20 left in the game. Baltimore had one timeout and would've had to score a touchdown if they got the ball back.

I'm not advocating for us taking an end zone shot. But let Patrick keep getting chunks of yardage to at least set Butker up for a chip shot. We absolutely did not have to run the ball there. That kind of thinking is why we lost.

Even if we did score a touchdown, it probably would have been with 30 seconds left. Again, one timeout for Baltimore and they would have had to score a TD and wouldn't have been able to run the ball. No way you take the ball out of Patrick's hands. No ****ing way.

[ToxSocks]

Originally Posted by comochiefsfan

There was 1:20 left in the game. Baltimore had one timeout and would've had to score a touchdown if they got the ball back.

I'm not advocating for us taking an end zone shot. But let Patrick keep getting chunks of yardage to at least set Butker up for a chip shot. We absolutely did not have to run the ball there. That kind of thinking is why we lost.

It was a 2nd a 3, and considering we were on there, what, 30-ish yard line with all of our timeout and in no danger of not picking up a first, running the ball the right call.

Considering where we were and how many timeouts, and the down and distance, the call made sense. On top of the fact that there was about 50seconds too much on the clock.

And like you said, they likely would have to burn their last timeout. All CEH had to do was not fumble. He didn't even have to pick up the 1st. They still had another down to do that. All he had to do was not fumble.

[comochiefsfan]

Originally Posted by Detoxing

It was a 2nd a 3, and considering we were on there, what, 30-ish yard line with all of our timeout and in no danger of not picking up a first, running the ball the right call.

Considering where we were and how many timeouts, and the down and distance, the call made sense. On top of the fact that there was about 50seconds too much on the clock.

And like you said, they likely would have to burn their last timeout. All CEH had to do was not fumble. He didn't even have to pick up the 1st. They still had another down to do that. All he had to do was not fumble.

Don't get me wrong, I'm not absolving Clyde of blame. He needs to hold onto the damn ball.

Taking the ball out of the best player in the world's hands in crunch time is just a complete non starter to me though.

[ChiTown]

Originally Posted by comochiefsfan

Don't get me wrong, I'm not absolving Clyde of blame. He needs to hold onto the damn ball.

Taking the ball out of the best player in the world's hands in crunch time is just a complete non starter to me though.

SAME

[ToxSocks]

Originally Posted by comochiefsfan

Don't get me wrong, I'm not absolving Clyde of blame. He needs to hold onto the damn ball.

Taking the ball out of the best player in the world's hands in crunch time is just a complete non starter to me though.

What im trying to say here is that even if the ball is in Pat's hands, the receiver still has to hold onto the damn ball. If Pat throws a screen to CEH and THEN CEH fumbles, the result is the damn same.

Hold onto the football. Everything else in this situation is moot.

[BigChiefTN]

Originally Posted by Detoxing

What im trying to say here is that even if the ball is in Pat's hands, the receiver still has to hold onto the damn ball. If Pat throws a screen to CEH and THEN CEH fumbles, the result is the damn same.

Hold onto the football. Everything else in this situation is moot.

This is Spot On!!!
Mahomes doesnt typically make mistakes like he did on his INT. It’s all about minimizing/eliminating mistakes. Unfortunately CEH’s BIG mistake had the absolute worst timing, it left NO time for PM to recover from it.

[mr. tegu]

Originally Posted by Detoxing

This is silly.

They trying to kill clock so they could make sure they had the last score. Running was the right thing to do.

Mahomes can't do every goddamn thing. At some point the ball handlers have to handle the ball.

It was not clock killing time yet. We weren’t close enough for that. The Ravens only had one timeout and 1:30 left in the game. They were completely at our mercy and had no answer for our short passing game all game long. But they did have an answer for our running game all night.

It was unlikely we get a first down running based on how it went all game so why risk getting to third down at all? Pass it one or two more times, get ten yards, then kill the clock.

[ToxSocks]

Originally Posted by mr. tegu

It was not clock killing time yet. We weren’t close enough for that. The Ravens only had one timeout and 1:30 left in the game.

We were already in FG range with all of our timeouts. It was clock killing time. Absolutely it was. With our field position and the amount of timeouts, we only needed about 30 seconds of clock to score.

That means they needed to kill a min.

[comochiefsfan]

Originally Posted by Detoxing

We were already in FG range with all of our timeouts. It was clock killing time. Absolutely it was. With our field position and the amount of timeouts, we only needed about 30 seconds of clock to score.

That means they needed to kill a min.

We were in range for a 50 yarder. So as soon as you cross the FG range line you would shut it down?

Go get 20 more yard and let Butker pooch in a 30 yarder instead.

[ToxSocks]

Originally Posted by comochiefsfan

We were in range for a 50 yarder. So as soon as you cross the FG range line you would shut it down?

They weren't shutting it down. Lol, it was 2nd and 3. They still had a whole other down to get 3 yards.

Honestly, considering the field position, the down and distance and the TO situation it's hard to fathom a better time to run it.

They woulda taken balt's last TO OR burned 45 secs off the clock and THEN gotten the 1st and likely iced the game. That woulda been the end result.

All CEH had to do was not fumble.

[Bearcat]

Originally Posted by Detoxing

They weren't shutting it down. Lol, it was 2nd and 3. They still had a whole other down to get 3 yards.

Honestly, considering the field position, the down and distance and the TO situation it's hard to fathom a better time to run it.

They woulda taken balt's last TO OR burned 45 secs off the clock and THEN gotten the 1st and likely iced the game. That woulda been the end result.

All CEH had to do was not fumble.

Yep... their normal offense is all about getting to 3rd and short. It was 2nd and short. You either pick up a 1st on the ground and run a bit of clock or deal with a routine 3rd and 2-4 yards.

If it was 2nd and 10, then yeah, let's not hand it off up the gut and make it 3rd and 9... and it was those calls earlier in the hall that killed drives. Any outcome besides fumbling the ball or running backwards 10 yards and it's a fine call (not amazing, but fine).

[ToxSocks]

Originally Posted by Bearcat

Any outcome besides fumbling the ball or running backwards 10 yards and it's a fine call (not amazing, but fine).

Exactly.

Any outcome that isn't fumbling the ball = Chiefs win.

He coulda ****ing fallen down and it'd be 3rd and 3. Mahomes gets the first down, the Ravens are out of timeouts, we're likely inside the 30 with 3 T.O's, it's 1st down and are in 110% control of the outcome of the game.

[mr. tegu]

Originally Posted by Detoxing

We were already in FG range with all of our timeouts. It was clock killing time. Absolutely it was. With our field position and the amount of timeouts, we only needed about 30 seconds of clock to score.

That means they needed to kill a min.

Being content with playing for a 45 yard field goal with Mahomes as your QB is monumentally dumb. Running the ball there was very unlikely to result in a positive play especially since that’s what they were expecting based on crowding the line. All night long we were completing short passes at will. It was a bad call even without hindsight.

[OnTheWarpath15]

Originally Posted by mr. tegu

Being content with playing for a 45 yard field goal with Mahomes as your QB is monumentally dumb. Running the ball there was very unlikely to result in a positive play especially since that’s what they were expecting based on crowding the line. All night long we were completing short passes at will. It was a bad call even without hindsight.

I'm with you 100% here.

It's dumb being content for a FG with just about ANY non-rookie QB.

Wonder if Minnesota regrets playing for the FG this morning. They were marching on the Cardinals, then slammed on the brakes.