Raiders' Henry Ruggs in fatal accident - will be charged with DUI resulting in death

[Dante84]

Update: Not a rumor, actually happened. Story developing.

Per TMZ: 10:27 AM PT -- A source close to Ruggs tells us the NFL'er is expected to be OK. The condition of the other people involved in the crash is still unclear.

10:40 AM PT -- A law enforcement source tells us at least one person involved in the crash has died. Ruggs' attorney, David Chesnoff, tells TMZ Sports, "On behalf of our client Henry Ruggs III we are conducting our own investigation as of this writing and ask everyone to reserve judgment until all the facts are gathered."

A lot of rumors floating around, and there was a pretty bad vehicular accident last night in Las Vegas.

I have no idea if Ruggs was involved as the internet claims.

I did put a call in but I've gotten absolutely nothing back https://t.co/S16JxGqmJT

— Benjamin Allbright (@AllbrightNFL) November 2, 2021

Update: TMZ has the story:

Raiders wide receiver Henry Ruggs III was involved in a serious car accident in Las Vegas early Tuesday morning. https://t.co/4ksgaIQAdz

— TMZ (@TMZ) November 2, 2021

[tredadda]

Originally Posted by manchambo

Maybe I'm getting soft in old age, but these days I look at a guy like Ruggs as a kid. And I just keep thinking: how is the world going to become a better place if this kid goes to jail? Isn't it likely that going to jail will just make him worse, potentially dangerous, more likely to do bad things in the future?

Obviously there need to be consequences for actions like this, but I just can't help thinking jail only tends to make things worse for a person who doesn't need to be separate from society for safety reasons.

Someone died. They died for no reason besides being at the wrong place at the wrong time. Whether the world would be better or not if he went to jail is irrelevant. This isn't a simple DUI where no one was hurt. What makes it worse is by not punishing him. Then you create a situation where he doesn't feel like there are consequences for his actions.

[ping2000]

Originally Posted by BlackOp

This might not apply to this scenario....but what if the person that died was driving drunk too.

I know that strip of road...and where that accident happened is very strange. I'm trying to figure out how a rear impact like that happened.

She wouldn't have been sitting still at that point in road...it's an eight lane artery through west Vegas.

All I can think is he must have been flying...and she switched lanes not realizing he was coming up that fast...it would have been vacant out and maybe not paying attention.

Then two people were wrong for driving impaired. Doesn't absolve the other driver if he was drunk too.

[Skyy God]

Originally Posted by tredadda

Someone died. They died for no reason besides being at the wrong place at the wrong time. Whether the world would be better or not if he went to jail is irrelevant. This isn't a simple DUI where no one was hurt. What makes it worse is by not punishing him. Then you create a situation where he doesn't feel like there are consequences for his actions.

Losing your wealth and livelihood are consequences.

Prison seems like piling on.

[A8bil]

Originally Posted by Superturtle

Even if he ultimately gets a lighter sentence for whatever reason will he ever be the same player? Broken hip is at the very least a career altering injury.

You would think, but I think in the NBA, Justice Winslow is back after hip replacement surgery and he seems to be moving well.

[Hammock Parties]

bye

[JohnnyHammersticks]

During my college years and up until about age 30, there but for the grace of God go I. Definitely had a few nights where I could've killed someone, including myself. Just being honest here. But I also wasn't driving a sports car at high speed during those unfortunate nights of terrible decisions. I drove petrified, like a little old lady driving to church on Sundays. That was also before the days of Lyft and Uber. Doesn't make it right - or even any less despicable - but for someone with the money Ruggs had and in today's environment, what appears to have happened is as close to unforgivable as it gets.

[ping2000]

Originally Posted by Cave Johnson

Losing your wealth and livelihood are consequences.



Prison seems like piling on.

Doubt you would feel that way if you were related to the victim.

[BlackOp]

How many people do you suppose drove home "buzzed" from Arrowhead last night...

If he were .08, would it make a difference? Is there is a distinguishable motor skill variation in someone with .07?

I wonder if BAL makes any difference in sentencing...it should to some degree.

[Bearcat]

Originally Posted by BlackOp

How many people do you suppose drove home "buzzed" from Arrowhead last night...

If he were .08, would it make a difference? Is there is a distinguishable motor skill variation in someone with .07?

I wonder if BAL makes any difference in sentencing...it should to some degree.

There are a ton of factors that go into the defense of something like this (in my indirect experience).... is it the first time for a DUI or any alcohol related charge, is it the first time for reckless driving or similar, is he throwing himself into rehab the moment he's released on bail and showing deep remorse, etc.

I'm guessing the BAC wouldn't matter as much due to the reckless driving... they would probably be more focus on the other car and how much responsibility they can pin on them (were they also drunk, did they do anything illegal like an illegal turn or moving violation or whatever).

I'm no lawyer (or drunk driver who's needed one), but I think it's typically a mix between direct consequences and mitigating factors of whether you're a future threat.

And again, out of the hundreds/thousands who drove home buzzed last night, how many were driving so recklessly that an accident would have resulted in a fiery heap of vehicle?

[Bob Dole]

Originally Posted by manchambo

Maybe I'm getting soft in old age, but these days I look at a guy like Ruggs as a kid. And I just keep thinking: how is the world going to become a better place if this kid goes to jail? Isn't it likely that going to jail will just make him worse, potentially dangerous, more likely to do bad things in the future?

Obviously there need to be consequences for actions like this, but I just can't help thinking jail only tends to make things worse for a person who doesn't need to be separate from society for safety reasons.

I was in town drinking with a guy on a Sunday afternoon about 5 years ago. Also a "kid" from my perspective...maybe 30. I went home about 6 and he stayed out and went to another bar. Ran a red light about 1am and killed someone. He just got out of prison 2 weeks ago.

I was seriously worried about how he'd do in prison. Just a nice stoner kid without a mean bone in his body. Thankfully he seems to have come through it in good shape. All cleaned up and ready to preach.

[Bearcat]

Originally Posted by manchambo

Maybe I'm getting soft in old age, but these days I look at a guy like Ruggs as a kid. And I just keep thinking: how is the world going to become a better place if this kid goes to jail? Isn't it likely that going to jail will just make him worse, potentially dangerous, more likely to do bad things in the future?

Obviously there need to be consequences for actions like this, but I just can't help thinking jail only tends to make things worse for a person who doesn't need to be separate from society for safety reasons.

And we do an awful job at dealing with mental issues, addiction, rehab, etc.... I'm sure there are hoards of people who would be better served in an inpatient facility for their sentence.

No idea if it applies to this guy though... when you choose an action, you're also choosing the consequences.

[Skyy God]

Originally Posted by ping2000

Doubt you would feel that way if you were related to the victim.

Vengeance isn’t a good model for society.

[tredadda]

Originally Posted by Cave Johnson

Vengeance isn’t a good model for society.

That's not vengeance though. It's the consequences of poor decisions. Or does he not face those consequences? To think his wealth and future are over as a result is foolish. He is fast and can catch, regardless of what happens, if he doesn't go to jail he will either stay with the Raiders or he will sign with another team willing to give him a second chance.

[George Liquor]

Originally Posted by JohnnyHammersticks

During my college years and up until about age 30, there but for the grace of God go I. Definitely had a few nights where I could've killed someone, including myself. Just being honest here. But I also wasn't driving a sports car at high speed during those unfortunate nights of terrible decisions. I drove petrified, like a little old lady driving to church on Sundays. That was also before the days of Lyft and Uber. Doesn't make it right - or even any less despicable - but for someone with the money Ruggs had and in today's environment, what appears to have happened is as close to unforgivable as it gets.

I had some nights in my 20s driving when I definitely shouldn't have drove. I'm very fortunate to have never caused any harm to myself and others too. Taxis were hard to get (hour + wait usually). Who is gonna wait outside a bar at 2am for an hour in the middle of February?

But I will say this, since uber/lyft have become I thing I have not driven drunk once

[Bob Dole]

Originally Posted by Bearcat

There are a ton of factors that go into the defense of something like this (in my indirect experience).... is it the first time for a DUI or any alcohol related charge, is it the first time for reckless driving or similar, is he throwing himself into rehab the moment he's released on bail and showing deep remorse, etc.

I'm guessing the BAC wouldn't matter as much due to the reckless driving... they would probably be more focus on the other car and how much responsibility they can pin on them (were they also drunk, did they do anything illegal like an illegal turn or moving violation or whatever).

I'm no lawyer (or drunk driver who's needed one), but I think it's typically a mix between direct consequences and mitigating factors of whether you're a future threat.

And again, out of the hundreds/thousands who drove home buzzed last night, how many were driving so recklessly that an accident would have resulted in a fiery heap of vehicle?

You can throw reason out the window in sentencing. I'm currently wearing an ankle monitor because I couldn't get an Uber in January 2019. No accident, no property damage or injury. First time I'd been arrested for ANYTHING in my entire life. You'd think it was my 6th DUI the way I'm being treated.

Interlock on the car, ankle monitor, 3 hour "Courage to Change" class once a week for 12 weeks where I'm treated like an idiot 20 year-old (we're currently on "don't hang out with the wrong people"). 3 AA meetings a week. DWI class. I put myself in rehab before it ever got to the deciding court date. They don't give a shit because it's all about the revenue.

BTW, I've been sober since May 8, thanks for asking. And you know what I'm going to do as soon as this ridiculous ankle monitor is gone? I'm going to stop by the liquor store on the way home, then sit on my porch and drink a ****ing beer.