Trade for Danielle Hunter?

[kcbubb]

Price maybe a 2nd and 4th? Sounds too cheap?

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Two players for the Minnesota Vikings have chunky cap hits for the 2022 budget – Kirk Cousins and Danielle Hunter.

Cousins is a polarizing athlete, so the get-rid-of-him fodder is all over the internet. These are some teams Cousins might join if the Vikings actually trade their QB1. His $45 million cap hit is the obvious place to start for a team seeking to fix its underwater cap situation.


Trading Cousins would save $35 million in cap dollars for the 2022 season. New general manager Kwesi Adofo-Mensah may or may not trade Cousins. We shall see. When Minnesota rolled out its new head coach one week ago, it sure didn’t sound like Kevin O’Connell endorsed a Cousins trade.


Danielle Hunter
Dec 23, 2019; Minneapolis, Minnesota, USA; Minnesota Vikings defensive end Danielle Hunter. Mandatory Credit: Brace Hemmelgarn-USA TODAY Sports
Hunter is the other question mark. His cap hit in 2022 is $26 million, a steep figure for a player who missed 79% of all football games during the last two seasons. A healthy Hunter is a beastly productive player, setting the tone for a usually-good Vikings defense. Without Hunter, Minnesota’s defense stinks, guaranteed to collapse in the final two minutes of the 2nd Quarter and 4th Quarter. It’s like clockwork.


So, like Cousins, trading the expensive player elsewhere – Hunter, in this case – is on the docket for discussion. Should the Vikings invest megabucks in an EDGE rusher who plays 21% of the time? Probably not. However, Hunter’s injury history only began in 2020. Before that, he was durable.

Fans tend to believe Hunter would fetch a 1st-Round draft pick inside of a trade. The healthy version of the LSU alumnus probably would. Yet, per Pro Football Focus, the “1st-Round stuff” may be overstating value.

In an article by Brad Spielberger from Pro Football Focus detailing potential offseason trades, Hunter was sent to the Buffalo Bills – just like Stefon Diggs – for a substantially lower sum than 1st-Round draft capital.


Per Spielberger, Buffalo would send a 2nd-Rounder and 4th-Rounder to Minnesota for the 27-year-old Hunter. That trade package certainly isn’t insulting, but it is not the “1st-Rounder and change” some Vikings fans believe Hunter is worth. Spielberger wrote about the hypothetical trade:

“Hunter will still be just 27 years old in Week 1 of 2022 and is a force multiplier for any defense. The Bills used their first and second-round picks in 2021 on edge defenders Gregory Rousseau and Carlos Basham, but all three players can also kick inside and line up opposite guards. Hunter could be the final piece that puts the Bills’ roster over the edge. Last but not least, a reunion with former Vikings wide receiver Stefon Diggs could help ease the transition for Hunter to a new franchise. However, it could be too hard for Adofo-Mensah to “sell low” on an elite pass-rusher.”
Brad Spielberger | Pro Football Focus
It is unclear who is more likely to be traded, Cousins or Hunter. Cousins is durable. Hunter has been the antithesis of durable as of late. To a QB-needy team, Cousins likely commands a 1st-Rounder simply because his position is considered “more important” than the defensive line.

But if Hunter is the one traded, it is not a no-brainer for his trade value to send a 1st-Round pick in exchange to the Vikings. The conversation needs adjustment. To date, trading Hunter is perceived through a lens of snagging a 1st-Round draft choice – sometimes in the Top 10 spots.

Hunter is a fantastic football player who will spend 2022 trying to prove his injury maladies were outliers. If he departs the Vikings, a 1st-Rounder is not the bottom shelf for his trade value. Adjust your expectations.

[Coochie liquor]

Not trading picks for brokedicks. Don’t you do it Veach (unless you absolutely fleece them).

[In58men]

**** no

[htismaqe]

Originally Posted by Dunerdr

Dee Ford was absolutely terrible as a player in general outside one season where he racked up some sacks. Hunter imo is not comparable. He has put it together for multiple seasons with 6 sacks, 12.5 sacks, 7 sacks then 14.5 back to back for '18 and '19. He has 20 more career sacks then ford in one less career year.

I see where youre coming from but to me where in a window with Kelce thats closing. And i think we should try to maximize this season and the next. I'm not willing to die on this hill by any means, i just think a second and a fourth is good value considering where we pick and the player. You get a player better than Clark ever was, for significantly less.

I never said Ford was a star player, I said he played will in spurts, which he did. And then he just broke, permanently.

You don't trade high picks for a guy with a past neck or back injury. Ever.

[TomBarndtsTwin]

Originally Posted by Dunerdr

Dee Ford was absolutely terrible as a player in general outside one season where he racked up some sacks. Hunter imo is not comparable. He has put it together for multiple seasons with 6 sacks, 12.5 sacks, 7 sacks then 14.5 back to back for '18 and '19. He has 20 more career sacks then ford in one less career year.

I see where youre coming from but to me where in a window with Kelce thats closing. And i think we should try to maximize this season and the next. I'm not willing to die on this hill by any means, i just think a second and a fourth is good value considering where we pick and the player. You get a player better than Clark ever was, for significantly less.

This is kind of where I'm at with it.

The Chiefs need to really 'go for it' the next couple of years. You've got maybe 2 top end years left from Kelce before he starts to decline significantly. As a receiver, Hill should age well, but that speed is going to start declining at some point. Take advantage of those 2 HOF players while you can.

Now, I'm not saying that trading for Hunter is the ONLY way to do that, but the Chiefs need to make some big bold moves to capitalize on this Super Bowl window. We need to get at LEAST two Lombardi's out of this run. They literally could have been playing in the last 4 Super Bowls, and we missed 2 of them due to stupid on the field mistakes. Can't continue to waste these opportunities. THIS itineration of the Chiefs with the 3 headed monster on offense is gonna start to close in about 3 years. The Chiefs need to take advantage of it while they can.

Whether that means trading for Hunter, or another big name D-Linemen, or making a 'splash' signing in FA . . . . . . the D-Line needs a dramatic makeover (as it's been more style than substance the last 2 years) and Veach has basically already said he is planning on focusing on that first.

So whatever they decide to do, I have no doubt an impact move will be made on the D-line. And it wouldn't shock me if it ends up being Hunter . . . . . .

[Dunerdr]

Originally Posted by htismaqe

I never said Ford was a star player, I said he played will in spurts, which he did. And then he just broke, permanently.

You don't trade high picks for a guy with a past neck or back injury. Ever.

I guess an almost third round pick and almost 5th are high. Like i said i see both sides of the coin. If his medicals check out though it would be hard to not want to add him. Right now were depending on Danna and Malik Herring mabye. It would be nice to add a guy like this. The FA pass rush market all has question marks, mostly age with guys like Von, jpp and Chandler Jones.

[htismaqe]

Originally Posted by Dunerdr

I guess an almost third round pick and almost 5th are high. Like i said i see both sides of the coin. If his medicals check out though it would be hard to not want to add him. Right now were depending on Danna and Malik Herring mabye. It would be nice to add a guy like this. The FA pass rush market all has question marks, mostly age with guys like Von, jpp and Chandler Jones.

This draft is super deep at Edge and very deep at WR and DB as well.

That 2nd round pick, regardless of how late it is in the round, could be for the DL what Bolton or Humphrey were last year.

You could get a 4-year starter there for a fraction of the cost of a guy with an injury history.

You could go the FA route and then draft and get two guys (or more) for the price of Hunter.

It's a flat out bad idea.

[Toad]

I’d rather trade up in the first to get Jermaine Johnson

[Pitt Gorilla]

Hard no.

[htismaqe]

Originally Posted by Toad

I’d rather trade up in the first to get Jermaine Johnson

May not have to trade up.

[carcosa]

We should trade a 7th rounder to the Rams for Aaron Donald imho!

[Toad]

Originally Posted by htismaqe

May not have to trade up.

Hope so

[Toad]

Originally Posted by carcosa

We should trade a 7th rounder to the Rams for Aaron Donald imho!

Too funny…
Ironic that the NFL Network just showed Donald’s 40 yard dash at his combine at 4.68!!

[ChiefsFan123456]

Hunter is a stud but his injuries concerns me, I think it would be better for Chiefs to find a edge rusher in the draft

[Marcellus]

Wait, there is a dude named Danielle? I thought this was going to be a cheerleader thread.

[ChiefsFan123456]

Originally Posted by Marcellus

Wait, there is a dude named Danielle? I thought this was going to be a cheerleader thread.

Yeah, his parents decided on a name for a girl which is Danielle but once his parents found out it is a boy instead, the name stuck