First Round Targets

[htismaqe]

Originally Posted by kccrow

I'm really hoping those guys do fall. I don't like the potential idea of moving so far up for them but it seems that's where they were being valued by most outlets (hell I've seen alot of Johnson at 9 lately!).

While I think they do come off the board by 23/24, I'd love it much more if it only took a much more modest move than going up to a spot like 13 to get one. If Johnson goes near 10 then it feels like Karlaftis goes in the teens. If Johnson falls some then that pushes Karlaftis down.

Maybe there are some AJ Epenesa vibes in the NFL regarding these cats too?

I don't know. As an Iowa fan, I watch a ton of B1G football. Karlaftis is a better prospect than Epenesa and the difference is somewhat noticeable, IMO.

[kccrow]

Originally Posted by htismaqe

I don't know. As an Iowa fan, I watch a ton of B1G football. Karlaftis is a better prospect than Epenesa and the difference is somewhat noticeable, IMO.

I agree. I'm an Ohio State fan. I love Karlaftis man. Was actually thinking of making the change in my What I want mock and i'm about 95% on it. He's been a guy I've thought highly of for a while.

The other guy I've really come around on is Ebiketie and it's been about scheme fit and not talent level. I feel like he's a perfect Clark replacement.

[htismaqe]

Originally Posted by kccrow

I agree. I'm an Ohio State fan. I love Karlaftis man. Was actually thinking of making the change in my What I want mock and i'm about 95% on it. He's been a guy I've thought highly of for a while.

The other guy I've really come around on is Ebiketie and it's been about scheme fit and not talent level. I feel like he's a perfect Clark replacement.

That's the big thing for me about Karlaftis. He was really good for more than just one year in the B1G.

[RunKC]

I’ll need to find out but I read recently that teams absolutely love Pitre. He tested well and has a good frame and was very versatile at Baylor.

He apparently knocked his interviews out of the park and some people think he’s a first rd prospect. I think he’s an early 2nd rd player but man I would love him or Dax Hill in KC. They would be so awesome here

[MahomesMagic]

Originally Posted by RunKC

I’ll need to find out but I read recently that teams absolutely love Pitre. He tested well and has a good frame and was very versatile at Baylor.

He apparently knocked his interviews out of the park and some people think he’s a first rd prospect. I think he’s an early 2nd rd player but man I would love him or Dax Hill in KC. They would be so awesome here

I would not be surprised if they go safety high and pair him with Reid.

Thornhill will see time too but our coaches never really liked him.

[Tribal Warfare]

Originally Posted by MahomesMagic

I would not be surprised if they go safety high and pair him with Reid.

Thornhill will see time too but our coaches never really liked him.

LOL, it didn't help that the staff over played Juan his Rookie year

[The Franchise]

Originally Posted by Tribal Warfare

LOL, it didn't help that the staff over played Juan his Rookie year

****ing what? Over played him? He was doing just fine until he tore his ACL.

[BossChief]

Originally Posted by htismaqe

That's the big thing for me about Karlaftis. He was really good for more than just one year in the B1G.

I can’t think of a better comparison than Hali, Justin Smith or Kerrigan for Karlaftis. I also think he can play game 1, which has value.

He gets after QBs as well as almost anyone.

[JPH83]

Originally Posted by kccrow

I agree. I'm an Ohio State fan. I love Karlaftis man. Was actually thinking of making the change in my What I want mock and i'm about 95% on it. He's been a guy I've thought highly of for a while.

The other guy I've really come around on is Ebiketie and it's been about scheme fit and not talent level. I feel like he's a perfect Clark replacement.

I like Ebikitie too, but where would you be happy to take him?

[kccrow]

Originally Posted by JPH83

I like Ebikitie too, but where would you be happy to take him?

29/30.

[kcbubb]

But Is karlaftis a fit? I loved his interview and the chiefs are due to get a character guy but his size and length don’t fit the mold of what we normally seek.

I just don’t see the necessity of drafting a DE round 1 with this group of DE’s possibly available at 50 and later. Is karlaftis or Johnson have more upside than say Sam Williams?

7. D. Ojabo
8. A. Ebiketie
9. D. Jackson
10. S. Williams
11. L. Hall
12. C. Thomas
13. K. Enagbare
14. A. Barno
15. M. Sanders

Originally Posted by kccrow

I agree. I'm an Ohio State fan. I love Karlaftis man. Was actually thinking of making the change in my What I want mock and i'm about 95% on it. He's been a guy I've thought highly of for a while.

The other guy I've really come around on is Ebiketie and it's been about scheme fit and not talent level. I feel like he's a perfect Clark replacement.

[kccrow]

Originally Posted by kcbubb

But Is karlaftis a fit? I loved his interview and the chiefs are due to get a character guy but his size and length don’t fit the mold of what we normally seek.

I just don’t see the necessity of drafting a DE round 1 with this group of DE’s possibly available at 50 and later. Is karlaftis or Johnson have more upside than say Sam Williams?

7. D. Ojabo
8. A. Ebiketie
9. D. Jackson
10. S. Williams
11. L. Hall
12. C. Thomas
13. K. Enagbare
14. A. Barno
15. M. Sanders

Karlaftis is a guy I don't think you have to go up as high to get and save on some draft capital, which would be the reason I'd consider going up for him instead of Johnson. Is he a fit? I'd say yes. I haven't seen any real indication that length is of dire importance to Veach. Not that he has too many examples, but he did draft Danna and brought in Malik Herring. I'd have to think he'd prefer it but I don't think it's a deal-breaker. I think the length is relative at the position anyhow because it's a lot more about how they use their hands, present their body to the tackle, move their feet, etc. Hutchinson is taller than Karlaftis but has shorter arms, for example. I really don't think it's that important. Look at Bud Dupree, the same size as Karlaftis. He's pretty good.

Does Sam Williams have more upside? I don't know about that. Athletically, absolutely. That said, Johnson has some pretty good athleticism. But he's also nowhere near Karlaftis or Johnson technically or from a "motor" standpoint. I think about guys that are really good and they just keep coming every single down, win or lose. I don't think you're getting that from Williams but I do think you're getting it from Karlaftis and Johnson. That's my hangup. I fell in love with the athletic talent early on but have come down quite a bit on Williams. I'd like him in the 3rd. It's hard to measure upside, it's alot more than athleticism. The guy needs the drive to be great.

[Titty Meat]

Originally Posted by kccrow

Karlaftis is a guy I don't think you have to go up as high to get and save on some draft capital, which would be the reason I'd consider going up for him instead of Johnson. Is he a fit? I'd say yes. I haven't seen any real indication that length is of dire importance to Veach. Not that he has too many examples, but he did draft Danna and brought in Malik Herring. I'd have to think he'd prefer it but I don't think it's a deal-breaker. I think the length is relative at the position anyhow because it's a lot more about how they use their hands, present their body to the tackle, move their feet, etc. Hutchinson is taller than Karlaftis but has shorter arms, for example. I really don't think it's that important. Look at Bud Dupree, the same size as Karlaftis. He's pretty good.

Does Sam Williams have more upside? I don't know about that. Athletically, absolutely. That said, Johnson has some pretty good athleticism. But he's also nowhere near Karlaftis or Johnson technically or from a "motor" standpoint. I think about guys that are really good and they just keep coming every single down, win or lose. I don't think you're getting that from Williams but I do think you're getting it from Karlaftis and Johnson. That's my hangup. I fell in love with the athletic talent early on but have come down quite a bit on Williams. I'd like him in the 3rd. It's hard to measure upside, it's alot more than athleticism. The guy needs the drive to be great.

The PR hit for whatever takes Williams is going to be something for a week or so

[raybec 4]

Originally Posted by Titty Meat

The PR hit for whatever takes Williams is going to be something for a week or so

It will only result in one or two days of the team saying "We fully investigated the incident and we feel comfortable with our decision to draft him."

[kcbubb]

Great point. I just think that there’s enough talent in that group that we don’t need to reach for a DE in the first. I don’t like Mafe or karlaftis that much more than a few others in the DE group that should be available later.

Originally Posted by kccrow

Karlaftis is a guy I don't think you have to go up as high to get and save on some draft capital, which would be the reason I'd consider going up for him instead of Johnson. Is he a fit? I'd say yes. I haven't seen any real indication that length is of dire importance to Veach. Not that he has too many examples, but he did draft Danna and brought in Malik Herring. I'd have to think he'd prefer it but I don't think it's a deal-breaker. I think the length is relative at the position anyhow because it's a lot more about how they use their hands, present their body to the tackle, move their feet, etc. Hutchinson is taller than Karlaftis but has shorter arms, for example. I really don't think it's that important. Look at Bud Dupree, the same size as Karlaftis. He's pretty good.

Does Sam Williams have more upside? I don't know about that. Athletically, absolutely. That said, Johnson has some pretty good athleticism. But he's also nowhere near Karlaftis or Johnson technically or from a "motor" standpoint. I think about guys that are really good and they just keep coming every single down, win or lose. I don't think you're getting that from Williams but I do think you're getting it from Karlaftis and Johnson. That's my hangup. I fell in love with the athletic talent early on but have come down quite a bit on Williams. I'd like him in the 3rd. It's hard to measure upside, it's alot more than athleticism. The guy needs the drive to be great.