Football Trade Deadline - Page 10

O.city · 08:59 AM

With their now being that extra WC spot and everyone being bunched up, there's gonna be alot of executives deluding themselves into thinking they have a shot.

Even with that said, I've never understood why more teams don't sell. Take the Raiders for instance and Josh Jacobs. He's clearly going elsewhere this offseason, so they probably think they could get a 3rd round comp pick. If the Saints beat them this weekend, why wouldn't you try to move him?

The Saints should trade anything that's not bolted down at this point, but I digress.

I know teams don't like to shit on their fanbase and sell because of tickets and blah blah blah.

Why dont' more teams sell though?

JohnnyHammersticks · 10-26-2022, 02:51 PM

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I dont' understand why the Chiefs wouldn't be all over that Quinn deal.

If you watched him closely in that game Sunday night I think you’d understand.

ToxSocks · 10-26-2022, 02:51 PM

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I'd much rather have had QUinn than Hughes.

I don't get the Hughes hype at all.

Why do we need another aging, mediocre DE who rarely gets to the QB again?

DJ's left nut · 10-26-2022, 02:53 PM

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Especially if the Chiefs can get Houston to eat a healthy dose of that $18 million this year and the compensation is modest.

I mean, a 3rd is probably a max in my book for the guy though.

Cooks can bring a certain Tyreek-like element back to this offense in short order.

I was trying to think about the mechanics of how they'd do that.

I mean I guess the easy answer is a new contract that turns his salary next year into bonus this year and reduces his guaranteed salary next season.

But at a point what's the cash value of the draft pick? Or hell, the rollover value of the cap space?

Let's say in one hand you can move him for a 7th round pick to a team that's just willing to take the contract.

And on the other you can convert that $18 million in guarantees to $7 million in guarantees and $11 million in bonus that accelerates onto your cap. In so doing, you can get yourself a 3rd.

If you're the Texans, you're effectively buying a 3rd rounder for $11 million. You're writing him that check right then and there.

Is that worthwhile for the owner? Is it a good use of the cap space for the team? Because if you don't use it, you'll have it next season via the rollover mechanism.

There's gotta be a puke point in there somewhere, right?

O.city · 10-26-2022, 02:53 PM

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If you watched him closely in that game Sunday night I think you’d understand.

I thought he looked pretty good?

kccrow · 10-26-2022, 02:54 PM

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I don't get the Hughes hype at all.

Why do we need another aging, mediocre DE who rarely gets to the QB again?

I'm equally befuddled.

I don't know if it's the "he has 4 sacks already this year" thing or what but when you look at his history as a player, he's always been mediocre as a pass rusher, he normally only gets 4 or 5 sacks total, and he's not especially great against the run.

My book is he's not even a one-trick pony... he's like a half-trick.

I mean, if you want a guy that will be on par with Frank Clark, he's it.

O.city · 10-26-2022, 02:54 PM

It takes so long for WR's to learn Andy's system I've been told, so I don't think that's a good idea.

DJ's left nut · 10-26-2022, 02:56 PM

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Originally Posted by Detoxing

I don't get the Hughes hype at all.

Why do we need another aging, mediocre DE who rarely gets to the QB again?

Skill set.

He's still quick off the line and we don't have anyone who is.

He's a component this roster doesn't have from the edge.

ToxSocks · 10-26-2022, 02:56 PM

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I'm equally befuddled.

I don't know if it's the "he has 4 sacks already this year" thing or what but when you look at his history as a player, he's always been mediocre as a pass rusher, he normally only gets 4 or 5 sacks total, and he's not especially great against the run.

My book is he's not even a one-trick pony... he's like a half-trick.

I mean, if you want a guy that will be on par with Frank Clark, he's it.

My thoughts exactly.

We already have Clark and Dunlap. We're all set on aging, limited DE's.

O.city · 10-26-2022, 02:56 PM

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Skill set.

He's still quick off the line and we don't have anyone who is.

He's a component this roster doesn't have from the edge.

You know who is quick off the line from the edge?

DJ's left nut · 10-26-2022, 02:57 PM

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My thoughts exactly.

We already have Clark and Dunlap. We're all set on aging, limited DE's.

Dunlap is the wrong kind of player. He's just big and long and lumbering. He's a pure power rusher.

Yes, Hughes and Dunlap are similar in results and age and cost and aaaaaall that stuff. But they get there in different (and ultimately complementary ways).

They're mirror images of each other and that's really not a bad thing to add to the roster at all.

O.city · 10-26-2022, 02:58 PM

Jerry Hughes is washed and sucks. Move on.

**HemiEd** · 10-26-2022, 02:59 PM

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Since we're all just sitting around here suckin' on our big ol' chili dogs, let me posit a question to you.

If a team called and wanted to acquire Noah Gray or Darius Harris, what would you charge to be willing to get the deal done?

I mention both guys because they are assets teams would ostensibly want (for instance: nobody wants Frank Clark), and we have enough resources at both positions to get by without them.

What draft pick would you accept for either player?

You shut your mouth about the very thought of trading number 47, Darius Harris! Shame on you!

He will still be on his rookie deal when a couple guys are going to want to get a huge pay day.

ToxSocks · 10-26-2022, 03:00 PM

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Skill set.

He's still quick off the line and we don't have anyone who is.

He's a component this roster doesn't have from the edge.

Yeah i don't really agree with you here. I think he's a non impact player who won't add anything to our already underwhelming group. Just another body who will kinda almost get there but won't.

-King- · 10-26-2022, 03:02 PM

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Yeah i don't really agree with you here. I think he's a non impact player who won't add anything to our already underwhelming group. Just another body who will kinda almost get there but won't.

It's a deal for this year only. If it's the only option we have, why not try to throw bodies and see what might work or at least allow our DEs to be be more rotational and hopefully fresher?

nychief · 10-26-2022, 03:02 PM

Quinn for a 4th seems reasonable. Surprised we weren’t in on it.

10-26-2022, 08:47 AM
O.city In Search of a Life Join Date: Jul 2009 Casino cash: $-635936	Trade Deadline With their now being that extra WC spot and everyone being bunched up, there's gonna be alot of executives deluding themselves into thinking they have a shot. Even with that said, I've never understood why more teams don't sell. Take the Raiders for instance and Josh Jacobs. He's clearly going elsewhere this offseason, so they probably think they could get a 3rd round comp pick. If the Saints beat them this weekend, why wouldn't you try to move him? The Saints should trade anything that's not bolted down at this point, but I digress. I know teams don't like to shit on their fanbase and sell because of tickets and blah blah blah. Why dont' more teams sell though? Last edited by O.city; 10-26-2022 at 08:59 AM..
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