Chiefs broke Josh Allen

[the steam]

Originally Posted by Bearcat

You were told it was horrible logic.... I can tell you the Chiefs will win the Super Bowl because I've been wearing the same boxers for the past 6 weeks without washing them. That doesn't make me "right" if they win the Super Bowl, it just makes me icky.

You wearing the same drawers has no effect on how a team performs and is horrible logic. Blowing a huge game on a huge stage by committing a historic blunder has a huge effect on a teams mental state, don't understand why you think that is horrible logic

[Bearcat]

Originally Posted by the steam

You wearing the same drawers has no effect on how a team performs and is horrible logic. Blowing a huge game on a huge stage by committing a historic blunder has a huge effect on a teams mental state, don't understand why you think that is horrible logic

They're professional athletes.

Of course, it does happen... players get the yips, get in their own head about things, etc. Not sure it happens all that often over the course of a career though where a great player stays great, but just not quite great enough because of something in the past (I believe your example was Aaron Rodgers).

IIRC, your logic at the time thought was basically "it's happened to these other players, so it'll happen to Allen".

Uh, okay... maybe, I guess. He also lost his OC/QB coach who somehow made Daniel Jones look good at times, went through a UCL injury, and so forth. I'd personally put those things ahead of "must have been the yips!"..... or, maybe he's actually been overhyped this entire time.

[the steam]

Originally Posted by Bearcat

They're professional athletes.

Of course, it does happen... players get the yips, get in their own head about things, etc. Not sure it happens all that often over the course of a career though where a great player stays great, but just not quite great enough because of something in the past (I believe your example was Aaron Rodgers).

IIRC, your logic at the time thought was basically "it's happened to these other players, so it'll happen to Allen".

Uh, okay... maybe, I guess. He also lost his OC/QB coach who somehow made Daniel Jones look good at times, went through a UCL injury, and so forth. I'd personally put those things ahead of "must have been the yips!"..... or, maybe he's actually been overhyped this entire time.

Fair points. But I said the Packer franchise never recovered from that, not Rodgers personally, he still put up excellent personal numbers after that but only in the regular season. That loss was on MM more than anyone. I honestly don't think the Bills as a franchise will recover from that coaching malpractice for many years to come. Not so much Allen personally. Allen will still be a very good QB and put up very good numbers but I don't think the Bills will be able to get over the hump in the postseason.

[Bearcat]

Originally Posted by the steam

Fair points. But I said the Packer franchise never recovered from that, not Rodgers personally, he still put up excellent personal numbers after that but only in the regular season. That loss was on MM more than anyone. I honestly don't think the Bills as a franchise will recover from that coaching malpractice for many years to come. Not so much Allen personally. Allen will still be a very good QB and put up very good numbers but I don't think the Bills will be able to get over the hump in the postseason.

I don't think it could be a mental thing for the organization, especially over 5 or 10+ years as personnel changes.

It would be interesting to break down the fallout and dominos though (I think there's even a youtube channel that attempts it)... :13 seconds happen (and I'm making this up), Bills fire someone and sign am injury prone player. Mortgage their future and injury prone player gets injured. QB gets the yips because coach went elsewhere, loses in the divisional. No draft capital or eggs in their basket after spending 3 years getting over the hump and going all in after :13. etc, etc for the next 15 years, maybe.