So when do people stop going out to eat?

[Rain Man]

Originally Posted by FlaChief58

Fast food joints will never get tipped from me, especially now that they're making $15 an hour. No Tyler, I'm not giving you a tip for putting my food in a sack and handing it to me. Sit down restaurants with actual servers are a different story. I start at 15% and based on the quality of service, it goes up or down.

Yeah, the tipping culture is out of hand, even worse than normal.

The ethical challenge for me is that I want people to make a livable wage, and a lot of jobs don't do that.

Having said that, if the person at the fast food window is making $17 an hour now, and then getting (total guess here) another $5 an hour in tips, that's a full-time equivalent of almost $46,000 per year. In Denver, that actually qualifies as a livable wage, and I wonder how it compares to a lot of new college grad jobs.

Good for them if they can make a livable age at the fast food window, I guess. But they'd better be doing a really good job of giving me fast service and good food.

[Mecca]

Originally Posted by Rain Man

Yeah, the tipping culture is out of hand, even worse than normal.

The ethical challenge for me is that I want people to make a livable wage, and a lot of jobs don't do that.

Having said that, if the person at the fast food window is making $17 an hour now, and then getting (total guess here) another $5 an hour in tips, that's a full-time equivalent of almost $46,000 per year. In Denver, that actually qualifies as a livable wage, and I wonder how it compares to a lot of new college grad jobs.

Good for them if they can make a livable age at the fast food window, I guess. But they'd better be doing a really good job of giving me fast service and good food.

Tipping culture got out of hand when places decided tips should pay wages so we're suppose to feel bad for them when in reality it's the owner being a ****.

[htismaqe]

Originally Posted by Mecca

Tipping culture got out of hand when places decided tips should pay wages so we're suppose to feel bad for them when in reality it's the owner being a ****.

That's a lot of it for sure.

Fast food people can make $12/hour starting out here. WalMart is about $11.50. Of course, there's room for advancement almost instantaneously (because of the shortage of workers) so they go up from their starting wage pretty fast.

Contrast that with full service restaurants. Some of the places around here don't even pay minimum wage ($7.25) so the servers are completely dependent on tips to make ends meet.

[Rain Man]

Originally Posted by Mecca

Tipping culture got out of hand when places decided tips should pay wages so we're suppose to feel bad for them when in reality it's the owner being a ****.

Yep. I hate having to use uber now, because the owners are apparently too rich to pay wages to their employees and started telling us to leave tips. I liked uber in the past precisely because I DIDN'T have to leave tips.

Just tell me what something costs and I'll pay it.

I did a Europe trip a couple of months ago, and it was so wonderful to see a price on the menu and pay that price without having taxes and tips added on. I don't understand why we don't do that here. Life would be so much better.

[htismaqe]

Originally Posted by Rain Man

Yep. I hate having to use uber now, because the owners are apparently too rich to pay wages to their employees and started telling us to leave tips. I liked uber in the past precisely because I DIDN'T have to leave tips.

Just tell me what something costs and I'll pay it.

I did a Europe trip a couple of months ago, and it was so wonderful to see a price on the menu and pay that price without having taxes and tips added on. I don't understand why we don't do that here. Life would be so much better.

The US is still firmly in the "work hard and get ahead" mindset, even though a lot of us know that's a lie.

Europeans are pretty good at taking care of the little people. Not to say that it's perfect by any means but in a lot of ways, it's superior to the US.

[Mecca]

Originally Posted by htismaqe

The US is still firmly in the "work hard and get ahead" mindset, even though a lot of us know that's a lie.

Europeans are pretty good at taking care of the little people. Not to say that it's perfect by any means but in a lot of ways, it's superior to the US.

Current America is like joining a monopoly game when all the property is already owned, houses and hotels placed, and then getting yelled at that you have nothing cause you're just lazy.

[ptlyon]

Originally Posted by Rain Man

I don't understand why we don't do that here.

Um...

[Mecca]

Originally Posted by Rain Man

Yep. I hate having to use uber now, because the owners are apparently too rich to pay wages to their employees and started telling us to leave tips. I liked uber in the past precisely because I DIDN'T have to leave tips.

Just tell me what something costs and I'll pay it.

I did a Europe trip a couple of months ago, and it was so wonderful to see a price on the menu and pay that price without having taxes and tips added on. I don't understand why we don't do that here. Life would be so much better.

Yea to be honest with you, it's just their way of maximizing profits, shareholders etc etc..

It's honestly no different than how if someone gets sick and starts a gofundme so they can pay for medical care or for their kid etc and people think that they got all that donations is a feel good story when in reality it should be a story about how terrible our healthcare system is.

[BWillie]

Originally Posted by Mecca

Tipping culture got out of hand when places decided tips should pay wages so we're suppose to feel bad for them when in reality it's the owner being a ****.

100%

[fan4ever]

Originally Posted by Rain Man

Yeah, the tipping culture is out of hand, even worse than normal.

The ethical challenge for me is that I want people to make a livable wage, and a lot of jobs don't do that.

Having said that, if the person at the fast food window is making $17 an hour now, and then getting (total guess here) another $5 an hour in tips, that's a full-time equivalent of almost $46,000 per year. In Denver, that actually qualifies as a livable wage, and I wonder how it compares to a lot of new college grad jobs.

Good for them if they can make a livable age at the fast food window, I guess. But they'd better be doing a really good job of giving me fast service and good food.

Bud Light used to do hilarious commercials about "here's to you" covering all sorts of jobs...bowling shoe spray guy for example...and they did one with the baristas treating people like vermin, charging people way too much, and still having the gall to put that tip jar out there...