Quintin Johnston is dropping like a rock

Mecca · 03-09-2023, 12:55 PM

All of the expert guys have moved him down..Daniel Jeremiah dropped him to 29th.

Whats up with that?

raybec 4 · 03-09-2023, 01:06 PM

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Originally Posted by Mecca

All of the expert guys have moved him down..Daniel Jeremiah dropped him to 29th.

Whats up with that?

Huge drop rate, just like Boutte

DJ's left nut · 03-09-2023, 01:06 PM

I've been wondering why he was seen as the consensus #1.

Acknowledging my 'I don't care for large WRs bias' - we're gonna see people try to call him Drake London and I just don't see it. And frankly, I think the B12 WR thing is legit. Too many high powered passing offenses in the B12 simply don't ask their guys to run real route trees and the way Johnston got used at TCU just won't work that well in the NFL.

That said - if he's there at 28 I'm moving up to get him. I'd have faith in Reid putting that kind of size/speed combo to use by that point.

But as to why he's probably falling? He didn't run. Media types need something to talk about. I'm betting on most team's boards he's not moved at all and won't UNLESS he runs like shit at a pro day (or doesn't run at all).

But the combine just finished, Johnston didn't take part in a WRs key drill, and the talking heads are 'punishing' him for it.

raybec 4 · 03-09-2023, 01:10 PM

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Originally Posted by DJ's left nut

I've been wondering why he was seen as the consensus #1.

Acknowledging my 'I don't care for large WRs bias' - we're gonna see people try to call him Drake London and I just don't see it. And frankly, I think the B12 WR thing is legit. Too many high powered passing offenses in the B12 simply don't ask their guys to run real route trees and the way Johnston got used at TCU just won't work that well in the NFL.

That said - if he's there at 28 I'm moving up to get him. I'd have faith in Reid putting that kind of size/speed combo to use by that point.

But as to why he's probably falling? He didn't run. Media types need something to talk about. I'm betting on most team's boards he's not moved at all and won't UNLESS he runs like shit at a pro day (or doesn't run at all).

But the combine just finished, Johnston didn't take part in a WRs key drill, and the talking heads are 'punishing' him for it.

That really is an excellent point. Unless someone gets hurt or arrested between now and the draft or they have a flat awful pro day the only draft boards they move around on are the people who don't draft anyone.

Mecca · 03-09-2023, 01:11 PM

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Originally Posted by DJ's left nut

I've been wondering why he was seen as the consensus #1.

Acknowledging my 'I don't care for large WRs bias' - we're gonna see people try to call him Drake London and I just don't see it. And frankly, I think the B12 WR thing is legit. Too many high powered passing offenses in the B12 simply don't ask their guys to run real route trees and the way Johnston got used at TCU just won't work that well in the NFL.

That said - if he's there at 28 I'm moving up to get him. I'd have faith in Reid putting that kind of size/speed combo to use by that point.

But as to why he's probably falling? He didn't run. Media types need something to talk about. I'm betting on most team's boards he's not moved at all and won't UNLESS he runs like shit at a pro day (or doesn't run at all).

But the combine just finished, Johnston didn't take part in a WRs key drill, and the talking heads are 'punishing' him for it.

He's actually not that big....he measured in at just over 6'2.

ToxSocks · 03-09-2023, 01:15 PM

This news just inflates my ego. Because after i watched him a couple of times i couldn't figure out why people were regarding him as this years top receiver.

Welp, there goes my edgy drop i was planning on for my eventual WR rankings.

I think he's another 2nd round guy.

DJ's left nut · 03-09-2023, 01:16 PM

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Originally Posted by Mecca

He's actually not that big....he measured in at just over 6'2.

Oh wow - that's interesting.

Going into the draft there was talk of his listed 6'3" maybe even being 6'4" in reality.

Now THAT may actually mean something on team's boards.

Now, when you consider the offense he ran, doesn't he look more like Alec Pierce than Drake London?

Eh - if he goes out there and puts up a 4.40 or better (and I think he will, pretty easily) at his pro day, he'll go right back to WR1.

DJ's left nut · 03-09-2023, 01:17 PM

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Originally Posted by Detoxing

This news just inflates my ego. Because after i watched him a couple of times i couldn't figure out why people were regarding him as this years top receiver.

Welp, there goes my edgy drop i was planning on for my eventual WR rankings.

I think he's another 2nd round guy.

GET OUT OF MY HEAD!!!!

kccrow · 03-09-2023, 01:28 PM

I dunno, McShay had him at 14. Depends on who you're looking at.

I think he's the definite top prospect. If I were an NFL GM, I don't think I'd need to see him run a 40. He knocked the drills out of the park at the Combine and he's got speed that's easy to see. Probably a 4.45-4.53 guy, somewhere in there. He's about 6'3" 208 and has a 41" vertical. He's got good agility and acceleration. That's pretty good enough.

The furthest I see him dropping is to 18. Unless he crashes and burns at the TCU pro day at the end of the month, I don't think he moves much for NFL teams.

kccrow · 03-09-2023, 01:32 PM

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Originally Posted by Detoxing

This news just inflates my ego. Because after i watched him a couple of times i couldn't figure out why people were regarding him as this years top receiver.

Welp, there goes my edgy drop i was planning on for my eventual WR rankings.

I think he's another 2nd round guy.

2nd round? I doubt that.

If he's in the range for Veach to go get him and LT isn't the enormous hole it is now, I'd hope he does.

Direckshun · 03-09-2023, 01:36 PM

I just think it's easier to replicate much or all of what Q does than, say, high quality speedsters.

What's he good at, going up and getting a ball? Xavier Hutchinson can do that and I can grab him in the 2nd or 3rd. Maybe he's not Q, but maybe he's 95% as good as Q?

I think, as the league has changed, the need for slower WRs who can go win jump balls just isn't as valuable as speedier guys who can blow the league wide open.

I'm not a fan of Q. I'd like the Chiefs to pass on him if he drops. I want them to get dynamic Z receivers who can stretch the field.

kccrow · 03-09-2023, 01:57 PM

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Originally Posted by Direckshun

I just think it's easier to replicate much or all of what Q does than, say, high quality speedsters.

What's he good at, going up and getting a ball? Xavier Hutchinson can do that and I can grab him in the 2nd or 3rd. Maybe he's not Q, but maybe he's 95% as good as Q?

I think, as the league has changed, the need for slower WRs who can go win jump balls just isn't as valuable as speedier guys who can blow the league wide open.

I'm not a fan of Q. I'd like the Chiefs to pass on him if he drops. I want them to get dynamic Z receivers who can stretch the field.

He looks faster and a lot more agile than Hutchinson to me but you do have a point on value for sure, which is why some teams pretty well never take 1st round receivers.

ToxSocks · 03-09-2023, 02:04 PM

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Originally Posted by kccrow

2nd round? I doubt that.

If he's in the range for Veach to go get him and LT isn't the enormous hole it is now, I'd hope he does.

I'm not saying he goes in the 2nd, i'm saying he's a 2nd round talent.

ToxSocks · 03-09-2023, 02:08 PM

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Originally Posted by Direckshun

What's he good at, going up and getting a ball?

Except he's not really good at that. That's not actually his game. When you watch the "vs" stuff (aka, not just career highlights) he loses on jump balls/contested catches much more than you'd like to see for a guy his size.

And i'm not so sure about his speed either. Some of these clips man, he's got a real freakin' slow release. He looks like a 4.5 guy to me. And there's questions about his physicality and ability to beat press.

I think there's enough questions about him that i wouldn't feel good taking him in the 1st 20 picks.

Shoes · 03-09-2023, 02:14 PM

I wrote this about Quentin Johnston a while ago:

Quentin Johnston- The more I watch Quentin Johnston, the less I like him. For such a gifted athlete, he leaves a lot to be desired. At times he looks like an unstoppable force at the receiver position, other times he leaves me wanting more. He has the size, he has the speed, and he has the quickness. I don't want to make the same DK Metcalf mistake though, I think Johnston is going to be a really good football player but I don't know if he has the ball skills and route running ability to be elite in the NFL.

What good is a 40.5'' vertical if you don't have an ability to high point the ball? He is a tantalizing prospect. A bit of a unicorn in this draft class since there isn't a lot of size in this class, and he is one of the larger receivers who has the ability to run and change directions well. Helluva athlete but there are some major ball skill concerns.

He's the best X/Z receiver in the draft in my opinion but he isn't a slam dunk prospect.

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03-09-2023, 01:06 PM	#3
DJ's left nut Sauntering Vaguely Downwards Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: Columbia, Mo Casino cash: $-760901	I've been wondering why he was seen as the consensus #1. Acknowledging my 'I don't care for large WRs bias' - we're gonna see people try to call him Drake London and I just don't see it. And frankly, I think the B12 WR thing is legit. Too many high powered passing offenses in the B12 simply don't ask their guys to run real route trees and the way Johnston got used at TCU just won't work that well in the NFL. That said - if he's there at 28 I'm moving up to get him. I'd have faith in Reid putting that kind of size/speed combo to use by that point. But as to why he's probably falling? He didn't run. Media types need something to talk about. I'm betting on most team's boards he's not moved at all and won't UNLESS he runs like shit at a pro day (or doesn't run at all). But the combine just finished, Johnston didn't take part in a WRs key drill, and the talking heads are 'punishing' him for it. __________________ "If there's a god, he's laughing at us.....and our football team..." "When you look at something through rose colored glasses, all the red flags just look like flags."
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ToxSocks Needs more middle fingers Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: San Diego Casino cash: $2063063	This news just inflates my ego. Because after i watched him a couple of times i couldn't figure out why people were regarding him as this years top receiver. Welp, there goes my edgy drop i was planning on for my eventual WR rankings. I think he's another 2nd round guy. __________________ Life is like a dick. Sometimes it gets hard for no reason, but it can't stay hard forever.
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03-09-2023, 01:28 PM	#9
kccrow MVP Join Date: Oct 2011 Location: Michigan Casino cash: $-1200000	I dunno, McShay had him at 14. Depends on who you're looking at. I think he's the definite top prospect. If I were an NFL GM, I don't think I'd need to see him run a 40. He knocked the drills out of the park at the Combine and he's got speed that's easy to see. Probably a 4.45-4.53 guy, somewhere in there. He's about 6'3" 208 and has a 41" vertical. He's got good agility and acceleration. That's pretty good enough. The furthest I see him dropping is to 18. Unless he crashes and burns at the TCU pro day at the end of the month, I don't think he moves much for NFL teams.
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03-09-2023, 01:36 PM	#11
Direckshun __ Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Springpatch Casino cash: $2033447	I just think it's easier to replicate much or all of what Q does than, say, high quality speedsters. What's he good at, going up and getting a ball? Xavier Hutchinson can do that and I can grab him in the 2nd or 3rd. Maybe he's not Q, but maybe he's 95% as good as Q? I think, as the league has changed, the need for slower WRs who can go win jump balls just isn't as valuable as speedier guys who can blow the league wide open. I'm not a fan of Q. I'd like the Chiefs to pass on him if he drops. I want them to get dynamic Z receivers who can stretch the field.
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03-09-2023, 02:14 PM	#15
Shoes Veteran Join Date: Feb 2018 Casino cash: $2969690	I wrote this about Quentin Johnston a while ago: Quentin Johnston- The more I watch Quentin Johnston, the less I like him. For such a gifted athlete, he leaves a lot to be desired. At times he looks like an unstoppable force at the receiver position, other times he leaves me wanting more. He has the size, he has the speed, and he has the quickness. I don't want to make the same DK Metcalf mistake though, I think Johnston is going to be a really good football player but I don't know if he has the ball skills and route running ability to be elite in the NFL. What good is a 40.5'' vertical if you don't have an ability to high point the ball? He is a tantalizing prospect. A bit of a unicorn in this draft class since there isn't a lot of size in this class, and he is one of the larger receivers who has the ability to run and change directions well. Helluva athlete but there are some major ball skill concerns. He's the best X/Z receiver in the draft in my opinion but he isn't a slam dunk prospect.
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