***Official 2023 STL Cardinals Thread ***

[BigRedChief]

2023 thread. Walker makes the roster. I'll update the rosters and opening day lineup when its official

2023 Opening Day Lineup

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Donovan 2B
Nootbar RF
Goldschmidt 1B
Arenado 3B
Wilson Contreras C
Tyler O'Neill LF
Gorman DH
Jordan Walker RF
Tommy Edman SS

2022 Opening Day roster.

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The Cardinals anticipated 26-player Opening Day roster projects as follows, but will not become official until Thursday, March 30:
PITCHERS (13): Jack Flaherty-RHP, Giovanny Gallegos-RHP, Ryan Helsley-RHP, Jordan Hicks-RHP, Steven Matz-LHP, Miles Mikolas-RHP, Jordan Montgomery-LHP, Packy Naughton-LHP, Andre Pallante-RHP, Chris Stratton-RHP, Zack Thompson-LHP, Drew VerHagen-RHP, and Jake Woodford-RHP;
CATCHERS (2): Willson Contreras and Andrew Knizner;
INFIELDERS (6): Nolan Arenado, Brendan Donovan, Tommy Edman, Paul Goldschmidt, Nolan Gorman and Taylor Motter;
OUTFIELDERS (5): Alec Burleson, Dylan Carlson, Lars Nootbaar, Tyler O’Neill and Jordan Walker;
INJURED LIST (3): Paul DeJong-INF, Wilking Rodríguez-RHP, Adam Wainwright-RHP.

For the new Cardinal fans that joined the Planet since last year, here are some of the historical threads going back to 2006.

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2022 thread
https://www.chiefsplanet.com/BB/show...8#post16877588
2021 Thread
https://www.chiefsplanet.com/BB/showthread.php?t=337124
2020 Thread
https://www.chiefsplanet.com/BB/showthread.php?t=329273
2019 Thread
https://www.chiefsplanet.com/BB/showthread.php?t=320239
2018 Thread
https://www.chiefsplanet.com/BB/showthread.php?t=312812
2012 Thread
https://www.chiefsplanet.com/BB/showthread.php?t=254619
etc.
All the way back to 2006 WS
https://www.chiefsplanet.com/BB/showthread.php?t=312812

[ChiefsCountry]

Since the talk is on pitching, look what happened tonight in Miami

Sandy Alcantara was DEALIN'‼️

He threw a complete game shutout vs. the Twins in under two hours, the shortest game of the @MLB season so far. pic.twitter.com/umGCc0UhIT

— SportsCenter (@SportsCenter) April 5, 2023

[DJ's left nut]

Originally Posted by BigRedChief

We have plenty of 2B (Donovan, Edmond, Gorman). He’s on his 9th org. He’s old. Sitting Gorman or Donovan for him? What am I missing?

Ollie is a ****ing reeruned puppet.

[Jewish Rabbi]

Originally Posted by BigRedChief

We have plenty of 2B (Donovan, Edmond, Gorman). He’s on his 9th org. He’s old. Sitting Gorman or Donovan for him? What am I missing?

**** may as well run out Jim Edmans at 2B instead of the Motts applesauce guy

[BigRedChief]

Originally Posted by ChiefsCountry

Since the talk is on pitching, look what happened tonight in Miami

Sandy Alcantara was DEALIN'‼️

He threw a complete game shutout vs. the Twins in under two hours, the shortest game of the @MLB season so far. pic.twitter.com/umGCc0UhIT

— SportsCenter (@SportsCenter) April 5, 2023

Passive-Agressive post. Well played sir, well played.

[ChiefsCountry]

Originally Posted by BigRedChief

Passive-Agressive post. Well played sir, well played.

It popped up when fired up ole Twitter machine. Thought it was fitting.

[BigRedChief]

I thought O’Neill was dogging it but they didn’t show the replay of him running the bases, only the play at the plate. I guess Ollie called out O’Neill for his lack of effort on that play in his presser.

Why would he not be hustling? Worried about pulling a hamstring? If you can’t do that play, you need to change your body or go be a weightlifter.

[jd1020]

I like the pace the pitch clock has put in but if you are going to put this shit in place and the allow the batters to have 1 TO and they call it before a violation has taken place then you better ****ing give them the TO.

I dont really care about Machado but he is one of the premier players in the game and throwing him out because your dumbass doesn't know where the 8 second mark is on a countdown (hint: its not when the clock goes from 9 to 8) is just reeruned. I hate umps that get this ego trip and seemingly want to make the game about themselves, but yet MLB seems to think the speed of the bat boys needs to be addressed.

[VAChief]

Originally Posted by BigRedChief

I thought O’Neill was dogging it but they didn’t show the replay of him running the bases, only the play at the plate. I guess Ollie called out O’Neill for his lack of effort on that play in his presser.

Why would he not be hustling? Worried about pulling a hamstring? If you can’t do that play, you need to change your body or go be a weightlifter.

It did appear to me he wasn't running the same. I noticed it running to first as in an earlier game when he was thrown out by a full step on a grounder he normally would have made it a bang bang play.

It makes sense that he may have a little doubt in his head regarding when you can push those hamstrings again. Much easier to do it in the outfield than running the bases.

[DJ's left nut]

Originally Posted by BigRedChief

I thought O’Neill was dogging it but they didn’t show the replay of him running the bases, only the play at the plate. I guess Ollie called out O’Neill for his lack of effort on that play in his presser.

Why would he not be hustling? Worried about pulling a hamstring? If you can’t do that play, you need to change your body or go be a weightlifter.

According to O'Neill he intentionally slowed down so he could tighten his turn. He wasn't dogging it. He was working all offseason on techniques for durability and thought that by tightening his turn he could circle just as quickly with diminshed risk of injury. And you can see him, after he straightens back out when he comes around third, accelerate again.

It's a completely reasonable explanation. And it's evidently one he actually GAVE to Marmol after the game during a meeting with him. O'Neill believed the matter to be closed. Maybe O'Neill's thought process was flawed (maybe it wasn't) but he certainly put thought into it and it wasn't something that deserved a flogging for jaking his baserunning.

And Marmol STILL went out there and publicly blasted him for lack of hustle DESPITE O'Neill giving him his explanation behind closed doors. Effectively calling O'Neill both a dog and a liar. And O'Neill doesn't find this out from Marmol - he hears it from Jim ****ing Hayes.

**** Ollie Marmol, man. That guy is so overmatched. He's way out over his skiis here and this kindof pouty red-assed bullshit is just another example of it.

He's a god-awful manager. Fortunately for him this organization doesn't hold anyone accountable for anything so as long as he's a good (read: quiet) solider, he'll get to keep cashin' those checks.

This organization is rotten from the top down.

[KC_Connection]

Just saw the O’Neill video on Twitter. For me, that was a brutal send by the 3B coach. O’Neill looked like a player surprised to have been sent in that situation.

[DJ's left nut]

Originally Posted by KC_Connection

Just saw the O’Neill video on Twitter. For me, that was a brutal send by the 3B coach. O’Neill looked like a player surprised to have been sent in that situation.

"Why wasn't he going balls out at the 3b bag!!?!?!?"

Because if you get a late stop sign and you haven't slowed to round then you try to throw the brakes on, you're gonna bust your ass and make the 3rd out at 3b trying to get back.

It's just such bullshit from Marmol. O'Neill was wholly reasonable and gets publicly eviscerated then benched today.

Marmol is completely out of his depth.

[KC_Connection]

Originally Posted by DJ's left nut

"Why wasn't he going balls out at the 3b bag!!?!?!?"

Because if you get a late stop sign and you have slowed to round then you try to throw the brakes on, you're gonna bust your ass and make the 3rd out at 3b trying to get back.

It's just such bullshit from Marmol. O'Neill was wholly reasonable and gets publicly eviscerated then benched today.

Marmol is completely out of his depth.

I don’t know enough about Marmol to have an opinion on him, but it’s a pretty weird play to be making an example of O’Neill over. Good way to get the entire clubhouse to hate him.

[Rams Fan]

Warner shouldn't have sent O'Neil at all. I also don't think O'Neil was half-assing running (he was trying to tighten up his route).

Why the **** would you send an OF who had hamstring issues last year on a ball that perfectly bounced to shallow right field with a clear path to be thrown out at home?

Originally Posted by KC_Connection

I don’t know enough about Marmol to have an opinion on him, but it’s a pretty weird play to be making an example of O’Neill over. Good way to get the entire clubhouse to hate him.

He did the same shit with Bader (granted, it was more appropriate and deserved) last season.

[raybec 4]

Originally Posted by Rams Fan

Warner shouldn't have sent O'Neil at all. I also don't think O'Neil was half-assing running (he was trying to tighten up his route).

Why the **** would you send an OF who had hamstring issues last year on a ball that perfectly bounced to shallow right field with a clear path to be thrown out at home?



He did the same shit with Bader (granted, it was more appropriate and deserved) last season.

It's a great way to lose the clubhouse. All those things should be handled in the family, not in public.

[DJ's left nut]

Originally Posted by raybec 4

It's a great way to lose the clubhouse. All those things should be handled in the family, not in public.

You have to have such a good handle on your players to pull that shit. And a nearly perfect feel for what motivates them.

LaRussa was actually great at that, but even he had his missteps. He could go out there and pull that stuff with Edmonds and it fired Edmonds up to go out there and kick ass. Edmonds never took it personally and LaRussa absolutely transformed his career.

He tried it once with Rolen and it backfired spectacularly.

He never did it with Molina or Pujols and some folks would say because he had favorites - I think it was because he know how prideful those guys are and that it would simply go very poorly for him. He'd have never done it with Carpenter even if warrented; he might have with Wainwright, though. I never saw it as playing favorites as much as I think it is a simple case of utilizing different approaches for different people.

Your feel for the individual players on the team has to be virtually spotless and frankly you have to have a TON more cache than an organizational puppet like Marmol will ever have. Regarding his feel for the players, O'Neill's reaction made it quite clear that Marmol didn't read the room correctly there.

It was just monumentally ****ing dumb.