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Old 08-30-2023, 11:13 AM  
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They coming for the streams yet again
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Old 08-31-2023, 11:10 AM   #181
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They are not losing money because people are streaming.....I would bet anything if they took away illegal streams those people would not pay for any of the services. The NFL would lose them as fans and would overall lose money from that.

But don't tell me a league that makes billions on tv contracts is losing money because of illegal streamers.
Did you see the phrase "losing money" in reference to the NFL in anything I posted?
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Old 08-31-2023, 11:13 AM   #182
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Old 08-31-2023, 11:13 AM   #183
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They are not losing money because people are streaming.....I would bet anything if they took away illegal streams those people would not pay for any of the services. The NFL would lose them as fans and would overall lose money from that.

But don't tell me a league that makes billions on tv contracts is losing money because of illegal streamers.
Absolutely! As I said in an earlier post, I'd just go to a local bar to watch the game. So as far as getting me to buy extra services, the nfl still loses
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Old 08-31-2023, 11:14 AM   #184
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Don't like the price of a product, don't "vote" for that product by purchasing it.
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but don't actively steal it and drive prices further upward for those that do enjoy the product.
That's literally the opposite of what's going on here. The NFL will charge what people are willing to pay.

My impression is that US customers have been getting screwed for years. Now international customers are too as the price goes up and existing features like DVR, full hd/4k quality and downloadable content are removed because the NFL would rather sell GamePass to the highest bidder than improve the product.
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Old 08-31-2023, 11:15 AM   #185
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Remember when everyone downloaded music for free off the internet because it was easy? Now no one hardly ever does that because the music industry made it easy to stream stuff for free with ads. Or you can pay a little bit to avoid the ads.

The sports industry views it as losing "$28 billion" but let's be real. The people who are streaming would pay the 28 billion if they thought it was worth it. It's not packaged right for the everyday consumer to get good value out of it.
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Old 08-31-2023, 11:16 AM   #186
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Is raising the prices on a product people are willing to pay for that they have the choice to not pay for morally corrupt? Everyone would be much happier if they would keep this in their brain: Corporations exist for one reason and one reason only, to make money. Our capitalist system affords us ways to affect prices by "voting" with our business. Don't like the price of a product, don't "vote" for that product by purchasing it, but don't actively steal it and drive prices further upward for those that do enjoy the product.
Yeah, I know the basics of economics.

And I also know how monopolies operate to put a stranglehold on prices and being able to do whatever the **** they want because well, you're a monopoly. There's a reason they aren't technically legal.

Yeah, I could "vote" and deprive myself of things I really enjoy, but you know just as well as I do that my vote means jack shit... so, I deal with TicketMaster fees, paying ridiculous prices for services that don't deliver the product I paid for, etc. And yeah, I'll stream a game here and there for all the reasons I've mentioned.

To answer your question.... I'd guess most people consider monopolies to be morally wrong/unethical, and I do as well.
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Old 08-31-2023, 11:20 AM   #187
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Which streamers are doing.




That's literally the opposite of what's going on here. The NFL will charge what people are willing to pay.

My impression is that US customers have been getting screwed for years. Now international customers are too as the price goes up and existing features like DVR, full hd/4k quality and downloadable content are removed because the NFL would rather sell GamePass to the highest bidder than improve the product.
Streamers aren't saying "I don't like your product at that price point and refuse to consume your product because of the price." They are saying: "I don't like the price of your product, but I love it enough that I am willing to partake in the illegal activity of stealing it and I'm fine with others paying for my share of it."

The mental gymnastics some of you will go through to justify the stealing of content is amazing. I'd rather you just say that you know it is wrong and you are going to do it anyway because you ****ing don't care. I can respect that in some odd way.
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Old 08-31-2023, 11:21 AM   #188
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And if I really have to clarify, it would be "act as a monopoly".

We all know there isn't enough talent to spread across the NFL, much two leagues.... but, that doesn't mean they have to operate as a monopoly.

Ya know, if they had any morals.
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Old 08-31-2023, 11:22 AM   #189
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Streamers aren't saying "I don't like your product at that price point and refuse to consume your product because of the price." They are saying: "I don't like the price of your product, but I love it enough that I am willing to partake in the illegal activity of stealing it and I'm fine with others paying for my share of it."

The mental gymnastics some of you will go through to justify the stealing of content is amazing. I'd rather you just say that you know it is wrong and you are going to do it anyway because you ****ing don't care. I can respect that in some odd way.
With that gigantic amount of ads that are in every game that disrupt the flow of the game can you really claim anything is being stolen?
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Streamers aren't saying "I don't like your product at that price point and refuse to consume your product because of the price." They are saying: "I don't like the price of your product, but I love it enough that I am willing to partake in the illegal activity of stealing it and I'm fine with others paying for my share of it."



The mental gymnastics some of you will go through to justify the stealing of content is amazing. I'd rather you just say that you know it is wrong and you are going to do it anyway because you ****ing don't care. I can respect that in some odd way.
For the record I don't use illegal streams. I just don't blame those who do. Not everyone can afford to be price gouged.

There's also little evidence that content piracy impacts sales in any substantial way, when it comes to massive corporations.
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There are other professional football leagues.
LOL, dude... you can't tell us we're the ones doing mental gymnastics and act like this is a valid response.

You damn well know there's only one Patrick Mahomes.

That's like saying you don't have to use ticketmaster to watch Smashing Pumpkins, just go down the street and watch that garage band of teenagers if you don't like it.

Acting like a monopoly is bad for consumers and isn't any more ethical than getting around the bullshit of acting like one.
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Anyway. I will continue to stream as a single tear will run down lonewolfs cheek in defense of the billionaires.
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With that gigantic amount of ads that are in every game that disrupt the flow of the game can you really claim anything is being stolen?
Ads are someone else's product that they are paying for in an effort to increase their business. You are not being forced to partake in their advertisement or act on them in anyway. You are free to mute your TV, take a piss, go to the fridge, or watch TikTok videos. Again, mental gymnastics.

Bearcat has the correct response. He streams games because he ****ing streams games and he doesn't care if it can be looked at as stealing.
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Ads are someone else's product that they are paying for in an effort to increase their business. You are not being forced to partake in their advertisement or act on them in anyway. You are free to mute your TV, take a piss, go to the fridge, or watch TikTok videos. Again, mental gymnastics.

Bearcat has the correct response. He streams games because he ****ing streams games and he doesn't care if it can be looked at as stealing.
I mean I don't think anyone really "cares" the only people who get super indignant about this are either older or don't understand how it works...

The overwhelmingly majority of younger people are perfectly fine finding a stream for something. Hell lots of people pirate all kinds of shit from movies to games etc etc.
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