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Old 08-30-2023, 11:13 AM  
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Old 08-31-2023, 12:55 PM   #226
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As for the whole moral discussion about illegal streams going on here, aren't the advertisers who ultimately are footing the bill for these NFL contracts still getting the eyeballs anyway?
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Old 08-31-2023, 01:13 PM   #227
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LoneWolf, is it "stealing" if I don't pay for any of the streaming services but watch all the games at my local sports bar?

Yeah, that bar paid the Sunday Ticket or cable price or whatever, but by offering the games for free, they're stealing dozens of customers that would otherwise be paying for this service, right?

Hell, it's even worse. They're using the NFL to gain customers and make money, and the NFL isn't getting a single cent of commission per customer that walks in that door. All the bar does is pay the flat rate for Sunday Ticket or whatever it is they use.
Apples meet oranges. A bar showing the game is very similar to someone coming over to your house to watch the game. It is a finite group that can partake in that and they have to physically be there. One illegally hosted stream could theoretically reach millions of people.
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Old 08-31-2023, 01:16 PM   #228
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Yes. The price of a good or service is essentially as high as possible to maximize profit. If people would buy Netflix for $90 a month then Netflix should charge $90 a month.

And if a McDonald's worker is worth $2.50 per hour, then McDonald's should pay the worker $2.50 per hour.
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Old 08-31-2023, 01:25 PM   #229
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Old 08-31-2023, 01:28 PM   #230
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And if a McDonald's worker is worth $2.50 per hour, then McDonald's should pay the worker $2.50 per hour.
I actually agree with this. I agree with getting rid of minimum wage. If companies like Wendy's, McDonalds, Burger King, etc...had to compete with each other for workers, there wouldn't be this race to the bottom and minimum wage be what these types of jobs paid everywhere. If McDonalds decided it was going to pay their workers $2.50 per hour, they would either have no workers or they would have the worst workforce in the industry and their business would suffer and eventually die off.

Instead, what I think you would see is Wendy's would decide to pay workers $9.00 per hour. Wendy's would start to steal all the good labor and have the best customer service so they would start to steal business away from their competitors. Their competitors see this and they would raise their wages to $10.00 per hour and this cycle would continue until you reach the level where talent/worth equals pay and their would be a natural order to things.
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Old 08-31-2023, 01:33 PM   #231
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As for the whole moral discussion about illegal streams going on here, aren't the advertisers who ultimately are footing the bill for these NFL contracts still getting the eyeballs anyway?
Sort of but not really... they have to be able to measure eyeballs to price their product, and theoretically streaming prevents them from asking the networks for more money.

Or in other words, if ratings were more accurate and accounted for everyone who's actually watching, they could charge more.

Once the contracts are signed, the NFL and probably even the networks couldn't give two shits whether you actually watch the commercials.
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I actually agree with this. I agree with getting rid of minimum wage. If companies like Wendy's, McDonalds, Burger King, etc...had to compete with each other for workers, there wouldn't be this race to the bottom and minimum wage be what these types of jobs paid everywhere. If McDonalds decided it was going to pay their workers $2.50 per hour, they would either have no workers or they would have the worst workforce in the industry and their business would suffer and eventually die off.

Instead, what I think you would see is Wendy's would decide to pay workers $9.00 per hour. Wendy's would start to steal all the good labor and have the best customer service so they would start to steal business away from their competitors. Their competitors see this and they would raise their wages to $10.00 per hour and this cycle would continue until you reach the level where talent/worth equals pay and their would be a natural order to things.
Companies would just stagnate wages so that the workers had no choice but to take what they could get. Wendy's would put their shit at like $3.50 an hour.
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Old 08-31-2023, 01:34 PM   #233
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Old 08-31-2023, 01:36 PM   #234
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Old 08-31-2023, 01:39 PM   #235
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Am I taking something from someone else if I drive over the speed limit?

Here's a better example:

Have you ever been sober and rode in one of your friends cars as they drove drunk? You wouldn't technically be breaking the law in this instance, but you would be morally bankrupt for doing so.
Absolutely not the same.

The moral bankruptcy in the streaming instances belongs to the folk who decided to price themselves out of people's budgets.
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Old 08-31-2023, 01:44 PM   #236
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Absolutely not the same.

The moral bankruptcy in the streaming instances belongs to the folk who decided to price themselves out of people's budgets.
I mean seriously, how does CP suddenly become all anti-capitalist when it comes to watching games, specifically? Businesses exist to make a profit. They operate in the way that maximizes profits. It has very little to do with being "morally bankrupt." It's literally the foundation of our entire economic system.

Bunch of communists around here.
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I mean seriously, how does CP suddenly become all anti-capitalist when it comes to watching games, specifically? Businesses exist to make a profit. They operate in the way that maximizes profits. It has very little to do with being "morally bankrupt." It's literally the foundation of our entire economic system.

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Old 08-31-2023, 01:48 PM   #238
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All I have to say is if the NFL only had single team streaming at a reasonable price people wouldn't pirate stream.
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All I have to say is if the NFL only had single team streaming at a reasonable price people wouldn't pirate stream.
Not true. You would still have people streaming games. What they would have is more users actually purchasing the ability to watch games from them.
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