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Old 10-16-2023, 02:18 PM   #106
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I've already pointed out that, by design, the offense is different early this year due to the calf injury. By.Design.

Let me just throw this your way and you can tell me how you feel about it.

Patrick Mahomes drops back to pass. Donovan Smith maintains his block for 2.5 seconds. At 2.9 seconds, Mahomes is sacked for an 8 yard loss.

Did the offense win that down?

Joe Burrow drops back to pass. OBj can only maintain his block for 2.4 seconds but it doesn't matter because Burrow released the ball in 2.0 seconds for a TD.

Did the offense lose that down?

Did both QBs require that their lineman block for 2.5 seconds?

If you answered "no" to any question, the stat is useless in any manner of judging success.
You realize stats are about sample size, right? Any single instance can be disregarded - but getting below average PBWR despite throwing the ball faster than all but 1 QB in the league means something.

And again - I'm citing the context YOU said didn't exist in noting that as mediocre as your OL has performed in that area, those stats are actually INFLATED by the special needs offense you fellas have to run to cover for their inadequacy.

Again - you can throw the ball quickly when you have elite WRs and still push it downfield - Tua's doing it. But you CAN'T do it when you are worried about the pocket collapsing around you. You say it's because Burrow is immobile - you see Kirk Cousins out there leaping away from pass-rushers to get his 2.7 seconds?

You have a team that's not looking downfield. They have the weapons to do so and if their OL could protect their QB for more than 2.5 seconds, maybe Burrow wouldn't need to have a TTT of 2.36 - more than a half second quicker than Mahomes is getting the ball out - to keep himself alive.

Your OL is shattered ass, brah. You can tell yourself this is all about Burrow's calf and not poor roster management. But it's not. You have an OL that's going to grind Down Syndrome Montana into a fine powder and that's not going to change this year, next year or probably the year after.

Hope you guys enjoyed that SB loss - it's as close as you're going to come to that elusive SB ring.
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Old 10-16-2023, 02:26 PM   #107
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A lot more designed screens, due to the QBs early-season immobility.

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Yet Burrow has been sacked 14 times in 6 games still but hey the OL is killing it!
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calf was fine sunday and he was checkdown charlie, GTFO loser

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148 yds, 2 TDs and a 124 rating at the half, dick breath.
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148 yds, 2 TDs and a 124 rating at the half, dick breath.
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You realize stats are about sample size, right? Any single instance can be disregarded - but getting below average PBWR despite throwing the ball faster than all but 1 QB in the league means something.

And again - I'm citing the context YOU said didn't exist in noting that as mediocre as your OL has performed in that area, those stats are actually INFLATED by the special needs offense you fellas have to run to cover for their inadequacy.

Again - you can throw the ball quickly when you have elite WRs and still push it downfield - Tua's doing it. But you CAN'T do it when you are worried about the pocket collapsing around you. You say it's because Burrow is immobile - you see Kirk Cousins out there leaping away from pass-rushers to get his 2.7 seconds?

You have a team that's not looking downfield. They have the weapons to do so and if their OL could protect their QB for more than 2.5 seconds, maybe Burrow wouldn't need to have a TTT of 2.36 - more than a half second quicker than Mahomes is getting the ball out - to keep himself alive.

Your OL is shattered ass, brah. You can tell yourself this is all about Burrow's calf and not poor roster management. But it's not. You have an OL that's going to grind Down Syndrome Montana into a fine powder and that's not going to change this year, next year or probably the year after.

Hope you guys enjoyed that SB loss - it's as close as you're going to come to that elusive SB ring.
I can't dispute this about Cordell Volson but other than him, they've been fine.
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Yet Burrow has been sacked 14 times in 6 games still but hey the OL is killing it!
Tied with Jalen Hurts and Burrow has 19 more PA. Does Hurts Oline suck ass?
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congrats on your halftime
What a dope.
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hey, maybe you can copy and paste burrow's second half stats from the afc championship loss if that makes you feel better

"see guys! we owned you!"

but go right ahead and celebrate one half in a game you had 168 net passing yards on 40 dropbacks...that's the stuff of legends
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hey, maybe you can copy and paste burrow's second half stats from the afc championship loss if that makes you feel better

"see guys! we owned you!"

but go right ahead and celebrate one half in a game you had 168 net passing yards on 40 dropbacks...that's the stuff of legends
You look to be a bit too weak to do this but i'll do it anyway...

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Tied with Jalen Hurts and Burrow has 19 more PA. Does Hurts Oline suck ass?
Jalen Hurts TTT: 3.21 seconds (nearly a full SECOND longer than Burrow)
ADOT: 9.2 yards (nearly 3 full yards further downfield)

Yeah - Hurts and Burrow's OLs are totally being asked to do the same thing...

The issue is, again, that your OL isn't asked to actually DO anything and they still mostly suck at even the little bit they've been tasked with.
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You look to be a bit too weak to do this but i'll do it anyway...
yes, i'm moving the goalposts....asking your offense to score more than 17 is a HIGH BAR to clear
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Thing's really escalated ..
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Thing's really escalated ..
Joe Burrow gets ALL the escalades from r****ed34 for his 168 yard game
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Jalen Hurts TTT: 3.21 seconds (nearly a full SECOND longer than Burrow)
ADOT: 9.2 yards (nearly 3 full yards further downfield)

Yeah - Hurts and Burrow's OLs are totally being asked to do the same thing...

The issue is, again, that your OL isn't asked to actually DO anything and they still mostly suck at even the little bit they've been tasked with.
I just don't know what it is that keeps you from understanding that it's not the oline, but the QB, that is the cause of the sack numbers. Less pressure = oline blocking better. More pressure = oline blocking worse.

I'll post them again since you didn't seem to think it was important to touch on it before.

Chiefs QBs have been hurried 36 times. Bengals 6 times.
Chiefs QBs have been hit 29 times. Bengals 22 times.
Chiefs QBs have been pressured 71 times. Bengals 42.
Chiefs pressure percentage is 27.8. Bengals is 16.6.

Mahomes is holding the ball 24% longer than Burrow but he's being pressured 59.7% more. He's been sacked less because he's able to escape the pressure better. That doesn't mean his oline is better.

42.8% of Burrows sacks have come on 3rd down and all have been against the blitz.

TTT and ADOT can certainly play a part in sack numbers but so can several other things. It's too easy to look at 14 sacks and a low TTT and say "ohhhh, the line suuuuuuukxxxx" but it's lazy and incorrect. I could waste a bunch of more time and point out how Burrow has said he doesn't care about sacks and point out that he was sacked 5 times in the first 3 games and 9 times in the last 3 but what's the point at this point? You're dug in and you're not going to change your mind, no matter how wrong you are.
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