Nate Taylor: some draft tidbits

[duncan_idaho]

Originally Posted by DJ's left nut

The only counter I can reasonably come up with is that if you're the team looking to jump to 63 and the 49ers say "Lemme call you back..." then you KNOW why they're doing it. In that case I say "oh no, sir. You take it now or it's not on the table. I'm not gonna have you leveraging my offer to a team I'm needing to get in front of. We don't have time for this nonsense. I've offered you a fair deal and you can take it or leave it..."

Which is a risk, for sure. But in a timed situation like that when you're looking at zero sum outcomes, you really can't let a team have a free hand like that. You need to put a deadline on that sort of offer.

To me, it's more likely a team is tracking who they're likely to have competing interest on a player from (including whatever tidbits or sources they've uncovered) and looking at the board for the team on the clock AND past histories. It's an intricate web of relationships and these teams spend a lot of time prepping on that stuff.

Originally Posted by DJ's left nut

It's fascinating to listen to former coaches when they get on these shows and recognize exactly how informed they are.

Belichick and Saban just killed it, for example. Their depth of knowledge is SO far beyond ours.

But I'd imagine even a guy like Staley, who looked like a complete nitwit most days, would just wipe the floor with us. I talked about Bob Sutton way back in the day and said that if he ever showed up on CP as a poster, he'd ****ing embarrass us. He'd absolutely massacre even the most knowledgeable amongst us.

And yeah, I'd guess that trickles down a bit. But I do wonder if college QBs would be quite enough. We might be getting there as college offenses get a little more complicated. But I don't think it used to be the case that many of those guys could come out and smoke us on the radio.

Maybe guys like Dorsey or Daniel - dudes who were really working through the game out there (and often ended up looking to coaching gigs at some point) but I don't think rank and file college QBs would really be next level.

I mean Ryan Leaf sometimes has some interesting insight but he also was in the NFL and did a little coaching as well.

Mostly I think you could take any swinging dick power 5 or above coordinator or HC and just make just about everyone else look silly.

Belichick was amazing. Take what he said about Amarius Mims, for example. Turned me ALL THE WAY off on him.

He pointed out the injury prone nature and him taking himself out of games. He pointed out the physical stature, his HS background, and how he had always been freakishly larger and stronger than everyone around him going back to HS.

Guys with profiles like that rarely succeed in the NFL. Good luck, Bengos (but really, go **** yourselves, I hope this blows up in your faces like Isaiah Wilson did on the Titans).

[DJ's left nut]

Originally Posted by duncan_idaho

Belichick was amazing. Take what he said about Amarius Mims, for example. Turned me ALL THE WAY off on him.

He pointed out the injury prone nature and him taking himself out of games. He pointed out the physical stature, his HS background, and how he had always been freakishly larger and stronger than everyone around him going back to HS.

Guys with profiles like that rarely succeed in the NFL. Good luck, Bengos (but really, go **** yourselves, I hope this blows up in your faces like Isaiah Wilson did on the Titans).

You don't get much out of Andy in this regard, but when he talks offensive line I stand up and listen.

That guy is so good at identifying/teaching the OL. He's so intricate and precise in his knowledge and how he imparts it. It's none of that bullshit high school coach speak that you often hear. "Be the hammer or you'll be the nail!"

No, it's specific stuff. "Get your punch up here and use this hand to turn their shoulder and this hand right here into their chest just as their inside foot comes up bend your back and drive..."

I mean he understands this stuff so well. He knows all the little tricks and does such a good job relaying it to his guys.

And that's before you get to all the stuff he actually gets credit for; the scheme specific stuff he does and what not.

He's just the bees knees, fellas.

[Ebolapox]

Originally Posted by DJ's left nut

You don't get much out of Andy in this regard, but when he talks offensive line I stand up and listen.

That guy is so good at identifying/teaching the OL. He's so intricate and precise in his knowledge and how he imparts it. It's none of that bullshit high school coach speak that you often hear. "Be the hammer or you'll be the nail!"

No, it's specific stuff. "Get your punch up here and use this hand to turn their shoulder and this hand right here into their chest just as their inside foot comes up bend your back and drive..."

I mean he understands this stuff so well. He knows all the little tricks and does such a good job relaying it to his guys.

And that's before you get to all the stuff he actually gets credit for; the scheme specific stuff he does and what not.

He's just the bees knees, fellas.

he doesn't talk defense much--- but you know his knowledge of it is, while maybe not quite as insane as his offensive knowledge, insane to the average person.

I mean, I don't know if I've ever known of a head coach with such a broad knowledge base for as many positions and as many disparate concepts. he's a football savant that never stopped learning. there have been other masterminds, but you can tell that reid just has a drive that much higher than other coaches.

[DJ's left nut]

Originally Posted by Ebolapox

he doesn't talk defense much--- but you know his knowledge of it is, while maybe not quite as insane as his offensive knowledge, insane to the average person.

I mean, I don't know if I've ever known of a head coach with such a broad knowledge base for as many positions and as many disparate concepts. he's a football savant that never stopped learning. there have been other masterminds, but you can tell that reid just has a drive that much higher than other coaches.

It's why I'm just not that worried about him retiring until/unless his health demands it.

This is what the guy would be doing if he could be doing anything in the world. Andy doesn't wanna stop coaching to go golfing.

If his body lets him do it, he's gonna keep doing it.

[Hayneplane]

Originally Posted by DJ's left nut

It's why I'm just not that worried about him retiring until/unless his health demands it.

This is what the guy would be doing if he could be doing anything in the world. Andy doesn't wanna stop coaching to go golfing.

If his body lets him do it, he's gonna keep doing it.

Even when he moves into an ambassador role in a few years time you just know he will be badgering the back room staff to keep sending him the tape to study.

[Chris Meck]

Originally Posted by DJ's left nut

It's why I'm just not that worried about him retiring until/unless his health demands it.

This is what the guy would be doing if he could be doing anything in the world. Andy doesn't wanna stop coaching to go golfing.

If his body lets him do it, he's gonna keep doing it.

Andy's going to croak on a practice field one of these years. He's not going to quit. They'll have to carry him off.

[ChiefsFanatic]

Originally Posted by DJ's left nut

You don't get much out of Andy in this regard, but when he talks offensive line I stand up and listen.



That guy is so good at identifying/teaching the OL. He's so intricate and precise in his knowledge and how he imparts it. It's none of that bullshit high school coach speak that you often hear. "Be the hammer or you'll be the nail!"



No, it's specific stuff. "Get your punch up here and use this hand to turn their shoulder and this hand right here into their chest just as their inside foot comes up bend your back and drive..."



I mean he understands this stuff so well. He knows all the little tricks and does such a good job relaying it to his guys.



And that's before you get to all the stuff he actually gets credit for; the scheme specific stuff he does and what not.



He's just the bees knees, fellas.

BB has been wrong about players way more than he has ever been right. FFS, he thought Mac Jones was worth the 15th pick, AND he thinks Bailey Zappe is a starting QB in the NFL.

I would listen to BB break down how to attack offenses, and I would listen to him talk defenses and philosophies all day, but I am not interested in anything personnel wise coming out of his mouth.

[Direckshun]

Originally Posted by ChiefsFanatic

BB has been wrong about players way more than he has ever been right. FFS, he thought Mac Jones was worth the 15th pick, AND he thinks Bailey Zappe is a starting QB in the NFL.

I would listen to BB break down how to attack offenses, and I would listen to him talk defenses and philosophies all day, but I am not interested in anything personnel wise coming out of his mouth.

Nope, BB is pretty much the master of OL coaching. You clue in on that.

Guy has no idea what works for skill positions. But he's a master of the trenches.