Do you believe that Pro Football Focus is any good at grading players?

[Danguardace]

Originally Posted by Pasta Little Brioni

How can you possibly "grade" a player when you aren't basing it off the assignment or play call it's COMPLETELY ridiculous

I mean run, pass, block or tackle it's really not that difficult is it?

[Pasta Little Brioni]

Originally Posted by Danguardace

I mean run, pass, block or tackle it's really not that difficult is it?

Whaaaat?

[Danguardace]

Originally Posted by Pasta Little Brioni

Whaaaat?

Believe it or not what they are analysing isn't that difficult. Pff grades are largely about efficiency they are not getting super technical did the Linemen move the los, did the running break a tackle or make somebody miss, was the pass accurate etc

What the assignment was is most irrelevant outside of the obvious.

Stop being obtuse

[LoneWolf]

Originally Posted by Danguardace

Believe it or not what they are analysing isn't that difficult. Pff grades are largely about efficiency they are not getting super technical did the Linemen move the los, did the running break a tackle or make somebody miss, was the pass accurate etc

What the assignment was is most irrelevant outside of the obvious.

Stop being obtuse

This is bullshit. The only reason you are defending PFF is because the company was started by some English moron who had never played 1 down of football in his entire life and was able to create something that other nerds thought broke down the most complex game in all of sports to a number. If the company had been created by Tyrone Jones from the Bronx, you wouldn't give 2 shits about defending them.

[Danguardace]

Originally Posted by LoneWolf

This is bullshit. The only reason you are defending PFF is because the company was started by some English moron who had never played 1 down of football in his entire life and was able to create something that other nerds thought broke down the most complex game in all of sports to a number. If the company had been created by Tyrone Jones from the Bronx, you wouldn't give 2 shits about defending them.

What did i say that was bullshit? Please be specific or you come across as uneducated.

I worked for pff very briefly (2 seasons) but i have no loyalty to them at all and as somebody who has coached this sport I am very much old school when it comes to analytics. My only point is that the notion that you cant analyse a play because you don't know the specific assignment is reductive at best.

[LoneWolf]

Originally Posted by Danguardace

What did i say that was bullshit? Please be specific or you come across as uneducated.

I worked for pff very briefly (2 seasons) but i have no loyalty to them at all and as somebody who has coached this sport I am very much old school when it comes to analytics. My only point is that the notion that you cant analyse a play because you don't know the specific assignment is reductive at best.

You can't analyze a play if you don't know the assignment. For instance, you brought up pass accuracy as a metric. You don't know the QB progression, the routes called, if the receiver made the correct route adjustment based on the defense, etc... All these things can play into the accuracy of a pass.

Football is too complex with too many pieces to be analyzed in that way and broken down to a number.

[Danguardace]

Originally Posted by LoneWolf

You can't analyze a play if you don't know the assignment. For instance, you brought up pass accuracy as a metric. You don't know the QB progression, the routes called, if the receiver made the correct route adjustment based on the defense, etc... All these things can play into the accuracy of a pass.

Football is too complex with too many pieces to be analyzed in that way and broken down to a number.

You know as well as I do what an accurate pass looks like, what a good route looks like, what separation looks like.

PFF grades from my understanding is largely a measurement of efficency they are not trying to overly analyse scheme.

Box scores, QBR, and any other statistics by your argument are useless because football is "too complex"

[Pasta Little Brioni]

Originally Posted by LoneWolf

You can't analyze a play if you don't know the assignment. For instance, you brought up pass accuracy as a metric. You don't know the QB progression, the routes called, if the receiver made the correct route adjustment based on the defense, etc... All these things can play into the accuracy of a pass.

Football is too complex with too many pieces to be analyzed in that way and broken down to a number.

Exactly. I wouldn't expect a Limey to understand it, so I'm not sure why he is arguing with us. He should stick to soccer.

[PHOG]

Originally Posted by Danguardace

What did i say that was bullshit? Please be specific or you come across as uneducated.

I worked for pff very briefly (2 seasons) but i have no loyalty to them at all and as somebody who has coached this sport I am very much old school when it comes to analytics. My only point is that the notion that you cant analyse a play because you don't know the specific assignment is reductive at best.

[Pasta Little Brioni]

Originally Posted by Danguardace

Believe it or not what they are analysing isn't that difficult. Pff grades are largely about efficiency they are not getting super technical did the Linemen move the los, did the running break a tackle or make somebody miss, was the pass accurate etc

What the assignment was is most irrelevant outside of the obvious.

Stop being obtuse

Complete BULLSHIT. The called play means everything . You have no ****ing clue who's at fault without the assignment most of the time.