Carolina really traded it all for this

[DJ's left nut]

Originally Posted by Buehler445

I mean, if Mahomes flamed out you'd say the same thing about him. You've got to take your shot.

But yeah, that dude?

I mean what are you leaning on? he played well at Alabama? He moves around OK? He's above average at a couple things. That's not going to offset the size, which is real bad.

The clsoest thing was you could talk yourself into him becoming Brees. Pretty smart, pretty accurate, quick release. You could kinda see that at Alabama, not elite like Brees which is where the comparisons fall apart, but that's the only case I see.

But watching that video, Christ, you just have to be in a room with a dude that small to run up some red flags.

That was my biggest argument in the Mahomes/Watson debate.

The folks that liked Watson did some of the same stupid "He's a winner" shit and my response was always - "yeah, but if it WORKs, what do you have?"

And when you really started looking at Watson you saw a guy who's accuracy was fine. Who's arm was actually a tick below average for an NFL quarterback. Who wasn't terribly mobile. Who's decisionmaking couldn't really be gauged because he had a really simple offense and premier players around him.

Whereas with Mahomes you could see tools that just screamed off the screen. If it worked, you knew you had an All Pro talent (in my wildest dreams I didn't see "Best QB to ever do it" and I loved the kid).

With Young, even if it worked, you weren't getting much out of it. Average for a short period of time was all you were getting. I will ignore (and did in this thread) every single Brees comp ever made. He's an exception that proves the rule. So at Young's size, there was literally no floor either.

Like I said, I can handle guys with no floor (Leaf, Russell, and like you said - Mahomes) if the ceiling is so high that it justifies it. And hell, I can understand (even if I disagree) the argument for taking a guy like Watson who's high floor would seem to offset the low ceiling.

But Young had a low ceiling and no floor. It was just dumb from the moment it was first rumored.