*****Official 2025 Royals Season Repository Thread*****

[Ocotillo]

Originally Posted by KC_Connection

So Beltran almost got in and will surely get in next year.

Can someone explain the rationale for voting for a guy who cheated to win a World Series in comparison to Barry Bonds (arguably the greatest baseball player of all time who fell off the ballot because the same writers voting for Beltran deemed his character to be too poor to be a HOFer)?

Just a ridiculous system.

Your answer is that society views different types of cheating on separate scales. Drastically altering one's body composition through chemical means is high on or at the top of the list. There's a reason why WADA and track and field gives an automatic two-year ban for doping.

I do think the Astros went beyond just gamesmanship where they're using technology and AI to decode signs. It's much more flagrant than using a corked bat or throwing a screwball.

[KC_Connection]

Originally Posted by Ocotillo

Your answer is that society views different types of cheating on separate scales. Drastically altering one's body composition through chemical means is high on or at the top of the list. There's a reason why WADA and track and field gives an automatic two-year ban for doping.

I do think the Astros went beyond just gamesmanship where they're using technology and AI to decode signs. It's much more flagrant than using a corked bat or throwing a screwball.

The Astros literally had a coach set up watching a video feed feeding them pitch calls which they proceeded to communicate to the hitters at the plate for an entire season. I’d argue that’s a far more severe form of cheating than simply doing what a large portion of the league was already doing in the 90s/00s (which wasn’t actually against any MLB rule and which they didn’t even test for until 20 years ago).

And if any of these writers actually cared that much about doping, they’d never have let David Ortiz in either.

[Ocotillo]

Originally Posted by KC_Connection

The Astros literally had a coach set up watching a video feed feeding them pitch calls which they proceeded to communicate to the hitters at the plate for an entire season. I’d argue that’s a far more severe form of cheating than simply doing what a large portion of the league was already doing in the 90s/00s (which wasn’t actually against any MLB rule and which they didn’t even test for until 20 years ago).

And if any of these writers actually cared that much about doping, they’d never have let David Ortiz in either.

The players knew it was wrong. Even if Fay Vincent's 1991 memo had no teeth to it, it was against the law.

Donald Fehr and the MLBPA were vehemently against testing anyway, so it had no chance to be included in a CBA. Fehr cried privacy concerns. Fehr only relented to testing when the players were shamed publicly.

[Mecca]

Originally Posted by Ocotillo

Your answer is that society views different types of cheating on separate scales. Drastically altering one's body composition through chemical means is high on or at the top of the list. There's a reason why WADA and track and field gives an automatic two-year ban for doping.

I do think the Astros went beyond just gamesmanship where they're using technology and AI to decode signs. It's much more flagrant than using a corked bat or throwing a screwball.

Just like all these NFL guys aren't roided out..

[Ocotillo]

Originally Posted by Mecca

Just like all these NFL guys aren't roided out..

Julius Peppers is in the Pro Football HOF.

http://www.espn.com/nfl/columns/pasq...n/1460692.html

[BWillie]

Originally Posted by Ocotillo

Your answer is that society views different types of cheating on separate scales. Drastically altering one's body composition through chemical means is high on or at the top of the list. There's a reason why WADA and track and field gives an automatic two-year ban for doping.

I do think the Astros went beyond just gamesmanship where they're using technology and AI to decode signs. It's much more flagrant than using a corked bat or throwing a screwball.

To me, I think doing what the Astros did is DRASTICALLY worse than a guy taking steroids or HGH. Not even close.