Alternate Reality Game 1: Chiefs

[Rain Man]

The original post is below in blue, but let's summarize it here based on the past few years.

1. If you're a new player, start with the current Chiefs roster. If you've been playing for a while you'll have your own evolved roster.

2. You can add any free agent that the Chiefs add.

3. You lose any free agent that the Chiefs lose, but only if they were on the Chiefs' roster when you began playing.

4. You can accept or reject any trade the Chiefs make as long as any Chiefs player involved is currently on your roster.

5. You do not get players that the Chiefs draft. You draft your own players, using the same draft picks that the Chiefs have.

6. You can trade down ONE time before the draft or after the draft. If you trade down before the draft, you get up to full value for your pick according to this chart: https://www.drafttek.com/NFL-Trade-V...-Rich-Hill.asp. (Note: this chart was updated in 2022.) If you trade down after the draft, the value of the picks you trade must be discounted by at least 25 percent. Any trade down must involve only the picks of one NFL team, and you cannot receive more than two picks more than you give up. (In other words, if you trade away one draft pick you cannot pick up more than three in return.) The other team's picks also must be picks that they held prior to the opening of the draft. See the examples at the bottom of the post.

6. You can trade up ONE time before the draft or after the draft. If you trade up before the draft, you get up to full value for your pick according to this chart: https://www.drafttek.com/NFL-Trade-V...-Rich-Hill.asp. (Note: this chart was updated in 2022.). If you trade up after the draft, the value of the picks you trade must be discounted by at least 15 percent. Any trade up must involve only the picks of one NFL team. The other team's picks also must be picks that they held prior to the opening of the draft.

7. By the beginning of the season, you must reduce your total roster to include only 53 players.

Added in 2025:

8. We can sign three non-Chiefs UDFAs as part of our draft. (Update this year's draft with your picks.)

9. On final cutdown, we can put three rookies or players on IR onto a "reserve" list.



Original post: You can ignore this now.

Spoiler!

Okay, having tested the waters I think we've got enough interest in this. There will be two other games as well that I'll announce soon.

The concept of this game is to, over a series of years, see which Chiefsplanet members are best at building a team. We can have an unlimited number of players, and this game will take very little time on your part - just a little bit of time and some voting.

Here's how the game will work.

Step 1. First, you have to locate your team in a city. It cannot be in a city that has an existing NFL team, so you must pick from the following cities, which are the largest cities that don't have an NFL team, but ensuring that there's at least one city in every state. If we have more than 100 players I'll add to this list. (List deleted for brevity. If you start playing, just pick a city.)


Step 2. Once the NFL draft is complete on April 26, owners will select players who were available with each Chiefs selection (i.e., do their own draft) and add these people to their roster. If the Chiefs make any draft day trades, the player may choose to accept or reject the trade and act accordingly.

Step 3. After training camp, each owner selects 40 (Edited up from 35) Chiefs players who are "their" players who will make up their roster. The remaining 13 positions will be filled by a generic "scrub".

Step 4. At the end of the season, the person will provide an overview of who started at each position over the course of the year, providing the number of starts at each position by each player. Edit: the rules for doing so are discussed in Post 285.

Step 5. At the end of the season, we will have a Survivor-style vote among the general Chiefsplanet population to determine who had the best team that year, including impacts of injuries and other issues.

Step 6. In Year 2 (and beyond), the player starts with his/her core of 40 players, adds new players through the draft, and can then pick another core of players from the following pool: their 40-player core, new drafted players, and any new free agent that joins the Chiefs

If the Chiefs make a trade that includes draft picks, each owner can choose to accept or reject that trade on their own team. If the Chiefs make a trade involving a player on the Chiefs roster, the owner can accept that trade ONLY if his/her own roster includes that player.

There will be no trades between owners, and no implications of the salary cap.

I realize that in the first season we'll have a lot of players with similar rosters, but they'll diverge over time and that's where it'll get interesting.

So...if you're interested in playing, claim your city and name your team.


Teams As Of Post #113:


Alaska (Anchorage) Watchmen (cdcox)
Austin [name to be determined] (Hound333)
Billings Snake Filets (KCChiefsman)
Cheyenne Buckshot Cheneys (banyon)
Des Moines [yet to be named] (Hoover)
Duluth Normans (Rain Man)
El Paso The Courvoisier (DeezNutz)
Fargo Rape (SNR)
Fort Wayne Dancers (Chiefs=Good)
Fresno Refugees (Adam)
Harrisburg Beer Farts (Otter)
Hartford Manticores (Crush)
Honolulu Craters (Sully)
Knoxville Nukes (Patteeu)
Las Vegas Hitmen (Bowser)
Little Rock Reapers (doomy3)
Los Angeles Cobras (chiefscafan)
Madison Beers (Spicy McHaggis)
Memphis Jackals (Ultra Peanut)
Oklahoma City Boom (Sanka)
Omaha Streakers (speak24)
Orlando Beakers (ChiefsCountry)
Reno Sheriff Department (MWagg72)
San Antonio Scorpions (truebigdog)
Scranton Paper Packers (bdeg)
Sioux Falls Slackers (pestilenceaf23)
Spokane [yet to be named] (Mr. Flopnuts)
Springfield (Missouri) Cashew Chickens (H5N1)
Wichita [yet to be named] (jwazzie)
Winston-Salem Warlocks (ArrowheadHawk)
Worcester Sauce (unothadeal)

Added Rules and Reminders:

1. Remember that you can draft undrafted rookies, so you don't have to select only guys who were drafted.

2. Anyone can change their rookie draft selections at any time, UNTIL we reach ten days before training camp. At that point, all picks will be locked in.

3. Each team can do ONE trade of draft picks if they like, using this chart:http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com...t-trade-chart/. However, if you're trading up, you have to pay 15 percent more than the stated value of the picks you're obtaining. If you're trading down, your pick's value will be discounted by 25 percent.

For example, if you want to trade up from the 20th pick in the 1st to the 10th pick, you can see from the chart that the 20th pick is worth 259 points. The 10th pick is normally 369 points, but by paying 15 percent more, it will cost you 1.15*369, or 424 points. So you would need to come up with another 165 points to make the deal (424-259)

For example, if you want to trade down from the 20th pick in the 1st and pick up the 10th pick in the 2nd, your 20th pick would normally be worth 259 points, but in this game it will be worth 25 percent less, or 194 points. The 10th pick in the 2nd is worth 142 points, so you can get 52 points back from the other team. (Remember that you cannot pick up more than two extra picks in the trade, so consider your math carefully.)

You can do only ONE draft-pick trade up and ONE draft-pick trade down, and in each case you can only trade with one other team for their own picks. (In other words, you couldn't take the 52 points in the above example from a third team.)

[Kellerfox]

After fruitless efforts to consolidate into fewer total but better quality picks in the 2nd and 3rd round, I decided my best strategy this year was actually to lean heavily into day 3 guys I like. I’m executing a single trade which has equal trade up and trade down in it. I’m essentially swapping the top half of my draft with the Colts. Because of the ambiguous nature of the trade, I’m going with the 15% discount factor.

Tacoma Trash Panda - Initial 2025 Picks:

1-31
2-63
3-95
4-133
5-167
6-207
7-226
7-251
7-257

Tacoma Trash Panda - Executed “Pre-draft” Trades (Chiefs):

1-31 for 1-32 and 5-164 (Chiefs draft day trade)

Tacoma Trash Panda - Executed “Draft Day” Trades (Chiefs):

The Trash Pandas trade picks 32 (184 points), 95 (40 points), 133 (18 points), and 167 (9 points) to the Indianapolis Colts totaling 251 points (213.35 with a 15% discount)

In exchange they receive picks 45 (131 points), 80 (56 points), 127 (20 points), 189 (6 points) and 190 (6 points) from the Colts totaling 213 points.

Tacoma Trash Panda - Final 2025 Draft Capital:

2-45
2-63
3-80
4-127
5-164
6-189
6-190
6-207
7-226
7-251
7-257

[Kellerfox]

I spent more time than I care to admit trying to piece together this puzzle. Initially my selections looked pretty similar to Crow’s, but that wasn’t letting me holistically do what I wanted to do. I also wanted to deviate from having significant overlap in our picks.

I desperately wanted to take Jayden Higgins or Luther Burden to address my WR issues, but I think the reality is both have a lot of competition for receptions and likely will be blocked from breaking out for a few years. I think they both will, just not on my timeline. After swinging and missing 3x last year on getting an immediate impact receiver, I’m going to be patient and let last years trio bake for another season before I decide to invest more early capital at WR again. This decision was made easier because of Horton and Lane being available in the middle rounds. I like both, and both landed in great situations to get early touches (IMO).

Tacoma Trash Panda - 2025 Draft Selections:

2-45: JT Tuimoloau, Edge, Ohio State (Colts @ #45)

2-63: Shavon Revel Jr., CB, East Carolina (Cowboys @ #76)

3-80: Kaleb Johnson, RB, Iowa (Steelers @ #83)

4-127: Jaylin Lane, WR, Virginia Tech (Commanders @ #128)

5-164: Tory Horton, WR, Colorado State (Seahawks @ #166)

6-189: Tahj Brooks, RB, Texas Tech (Bengals @ #193)

6-190: Cameron Williams, OT, Texas (Eagles @ #207)

6-207: Aeneas Peebles, DT, Virginia Tech (Ravens @ #210)

7-226: Quinn Ewers, QB, Texas (Dolphins @ #231)

7-251: Fadil Diggs, Edge/OLB, Syracuse (Saints @ #254)

7-257: Cobee Bryant, CB, Kansas (Falcons @ UDFA)

UDFA: Jared Ivey, Edge, Mississippi (Seahawks @ UDFA)
UDFA: Seth McLaughlin, OC, Ohio State (Bengals @ UDFA)
UDFA: Logan Brown, OT, Kansas (Vikings @ UDFA)

(Note: I don’t plan on adding any Chief’s UDFA’s. I’m going to challenge myself to only pick my own UDFA’s moving forward per the new allowance.)

[Rain Man]

It's fun to see how strongly we diverge from each other in the same draft.

[Kellerfox]

So that I can complain about my poor decisions in a few years, I flip flopped on taking Azareye'h Thomas over Shavon Revel with my second pick and Cam Skatebo over Kaleb Johnson with my third. I obviously considered multiple guys at every position, but those were the two that were closest to being changed in the end.

[kccrow]

Originally Posted by Kellerfox

So that I can complain about my poor decisions in a few years, I flip flopped on taking Azareye'h Thomas over Shavon Revel with my second pick and Cam Skatebo over Kaleb Johnson with my third. I obviously considered multiple guys at every position, but those were the two that were closest to being changed in the end.

I meant to tell you yesterday that there is a 25% discount on a trade-down post-draft, not 15%. You may need to rethink it all over again.

[Kellerfox]

Originally Posted by kccrow

I meant to tell you yesterday that there is a 25% discount on a trade-down post-draft, not 15%. You may need to rethink it all over again.

Lol, I argued my (possibly flimsy) defense in my post. My trade involved 2 trade downs and 2 trade ups. I tipped the scale in my favor and arbitrarily called it a trade up.

Zero arguments if you two think I need to apply the 25% discount in that scenario... I can go back to the drawing board (just might take a few days).

[Rain Man]

Originally Posted by Kellerfox

Lol, I argued my (possibly flimsy) defense in my post. My trade involved 2 trade downs and 2 trade ups. I tipped the scale in my favor and arbitrarily called it a trade up.

Zero arguments if you two think I need to apply the 25% discount in that scenario... I can go back to the drawing board (just might take a few days).

I hate to say this, but yeah, we probably should consider tradeups/tradedowns from the standpoint of the top picks exchanged, which would make yours a trade down. Sorry - I can see the ambiguity on complicated trades.

[kccrow]

I agree with Rain Man. The direction of movement from your top pick defines a trade up or down.

In a trade down, it would be normal to gain either selections or draft slotting (or both) in other rounds. That's the purpose of making that move.

[Kellerfox]

No worries! I'll revisit in a couple days.