Thanks! And thoughts on the final draft grade?

[JPH83]

Just wanted to give a hat tip to a few people here for their work over the draft season.

Dante for the visits tracker and insane work on getting info on the picks up so quickly

Crow for the immense detail and knowledge provided on prospects. I always learn stuff from you each year. Much appreciated.

Staylor for the mock draft. Amazed we made it, thanks for putting in the effort to keep it on the road man

Coach for starting loads of interesting threads to ponder and general enthusiasm for all things draft. You seem like a real solid dude as well.

And then there's a load of you who know loads more than I do about scheme fits and specific skillsets etc.which includes those above, but also DJ, Duncan, Chris Meck, Run...probably loads of others.

Thanks all, I really enjoy this time of year, and I'm pretty happy with how this year's draft has gone. Reckon I'd give it an -A. What do you think?

[SAGA45]

Originally Posted by kccrow

We have no choice but to be optimistic. Optimism is great. I just choose not to blindly ignore that history, even the most recent of it, is not kind when it comes to this particular injury. It's a blood flow site and players still come back from it at a low clip. All we have is hope he's in that small percentage.

That's fair. Good stuff.

FWIW, I'm not blindly ignoring the history of it either. But the Chiefs medical/training staff is ELITE and I've no doubt they exahusted all pertinent info/research/precedence before giving Veach the green light. That gives me more confidence in the pick than others. Bottomline: regardless of where we stand on the selection, we're hoping for the best. That's all that matters in the end.

[Coogs]

Originally Posted by JPH83

No doubt I'm being dumb, but I still can't see how to tell who down votes. Any help appreciated

When you go into the User CP, and scroll down to to the Miscellaneous on the tabs on the left side of the page under Your Control Panel, the first link there is Helpful Answers.

When you click on that link, is should have a page that pops up with 4 "columns".

The first column is the post number. The second "column" is the actual post you made. This takes up most of the middle of the screen. The 3rd column, over toward the right side, has the word "Good" (thumbs up), or "Bad" (thumbs down). The last "column" tells you who gave you the thumbs up or down.

[duncan_idaho]

Originally Posted by Palangi

Since I know it bugs you I’ll continue it with you and your know it ask minions, who think they are some internet doctors that know all.

Oh, cupcake.

You misunderstand.

When you go on a downvote spree, it’s a clear sign that … you have nothing.

No words to respond. It doesn’t make the recipient angry. It makes the recipient chortle at the tap-out you’re signaling.

Downvote away. What you don’t realize is that you’re pissing into the wind … and it’s not rain that’s splattering all over you.

It’s the wet stench of surrender.

[Palangi]

Look at you sticking up for your boyfriend. So cute!!

[Sassy Squatch]

Originally Posted by Palangi

Look at you sticking up for your boyfriend. So cute!!

If it makes you feel any better I think the staunchly anti Simmons crowd has been acting a bit toolish recently, and you're still a completely insufferable chodemongrel IMO.

[Palangi]

Originally Posted by Sassy Squatch

If it makes you feel any better I think the staunchly anti Simmons crowd has been acting a bit toolish recently, and you're still a completely insufferable chodemongrel IMO.

Hurts my feelings that you feel that way. I was so hoping to be your favorite

[Sassy Squatch]

Why are you acting like such a disingenuous little bundle of sticks? Mods already exposed that it really does hurt your feelings since you've been running around reporting posts.

[Palangi]

It really is a gut punch I’m not your favorite.

[Chris Meck]

I just figure-
Meh, we've had some first round picks flop. Hell, we've had some second round picks flop. We've gotten by, as we've had a bunch of late round picks flourish.

Simmons is a big risk, but man, if he hits it's a game changer. If he flops, well, we've got Moore on a reasonable deal.

[Chris Meck]

Originally Posted by Palangi

It really is a gut punch I’m not your favorite.

Why are so hellbent on being an asshole? What is so lacking in your life that being a dick on the Internet makes you feel better about yourself?

[JPH83]

Originally Posted by Coogs

When you go into the User CP, and scroll down to to the Miscellaneous on the tabs on the left side of the page under Your Control Panel, the first link there is Helpful Answers.

When you click on that link, is should have a page that pops up with 4 "columns".

The first column is the post number. The second "column" is the actual post you made. This takes up most of the middle of the screen. The 3rd column, over toward the right side, has the word "Good" (thumbs up), or "Bad" (thumbs down). The last "column" tells you who gave you the thumbs up or down.

Thanks. The only links under Miscellaneous I seem to have are Event Reminders, Paid Subscriptions and Attachments. Odd.

[fuzzy]

Originally Posted by duncan_idaho

Thanks, OP. I'm just a big old nerd with too much time on his hands and a brain that doesn't stop until I'm asleep.

Here's my thoughts on grade:

Present: B+.
I actually really like everything the Chiefs did in this draft, aside from the amount of risk they took on in Round 1. Royals and Smith are excellent fits and should help add some explosion back to the offense. Williams and Bassa and Gillotte are all immediate nice depth pieces, and possible future starters. Anudike-Uzomah doesn't take a step? Fine. Flush him and slide in Gillotte as your cheap partner for Karlaftis on his second deal. Tranquill sucks ass again in coverage? Bassa offers an alternative. Watson gets hurt, Fulton gets hurt, Josh Williams continues to make the staff not trust him? Hello, Nohl. Norman-Lott is probably never a starter, but you can see the value of the player.

So why is it a B+ if I love that all so much? It's Josh Simmons.

I'll reference the Barney Stinson crazy-hot X-Y axis theorem. We'll call it the Duncan Idaho Draft Nerd Risk-Reward X-Y axis. Theory goes, a potential partner must be as hot as they are crazy. If they are crazier than they are hot, you should stay away. For me, Simmons' potential reward factor IS significant. Like, a 9 on a scale of 10. The problem is that I see the risk factor as a true 10/10. The risk is as bad as it can get. I will acknowledge that some might disagree and see the reward factor as higher, or the risk factor as lower (though I think you're layering on an awful lot of hope in that case). But for me, this pick by itself is a D. Maybe a D+ if I inflate my grades a bit.

Simmons - D+ (which, if the team is right, morphs into an A+)
Norman-Lott - B
Gillotte - B+
Williams - A
Royals - A+
Bassa - B+
Smith - A+

Potential: A+.
Because if Simmons is healthy, he's going to be an above-average LT.

Left Tackle is the 2nd most important position in the NFL. And Left Tackles have the 2nd longest lifespan in the NFL. It's not unusual at all for Offensive Tackles to be remain All Pro 1 Caliber at 35 years old. Which is something that is basically unheard of for any other position besides QB and Kicker.

If Simmons turns into the franchise Left Tackle for the next 12 years then the rest of the entire draft is utterly meaningless.

It's sort of like the Mahomes draft. I don't even remember who we took in the Mahomes class. Nothing else mattered besides Mahomes. Because Mahomes will be here for 15 plus years.

[Coogs]

Originally Posted by JPH83

Thanks. The only links under Miscellaneous I seem to have are Event Reminders, Paid Subscriptions and Attachments. Odd.

Huh! That's interesting.

[RunKC]

Originally Posted by duncan_idaho

I don’t believe the Chiefs are stupid. I think their front office is the opposite of that. But even Veach and company make mistakes. They have taken players due to “needs” before that haven’t worked. So even though I’m one of their biggest defenders, generally, I still can see mistakes made.

I do think they were more willing to take on risk here. Clearly they view the reward as more likely than I do.

Whether that’s based on hope or more information than we have as Joe Public or some combination of the two, I don’t know.

Maybe Burkholder and staff were able to out him through workouts that measured his full strength and we just haven’t heard about it, and the 225 pound squat thing was a smokescreen. IDK.

I think you’re spot on here. Like it or not the Chiefs are desperate and a guy as talented as Josh Simmons was is never gonna be available to this team picking so late so this is an outlier.

I think the extra pick from Sneed and the Chiefs not trading away assets, but rather gaining one, helped the risk allocation for them.

We’ve had 7 LT’s in 4 years since Eric Fisher ruptured his Achilles. They have done everything possible to try to fix tackle using a 1st, 2nd and two 3rd’s as well as paying top dollar for Taylor and none it has brought the dividends they hoped for.

Without injury I’d guarantee this kid is a top 10 pick in this draft and everyone from Nick Saban, Matt Miller, Todd McShay and Louis Riddick echoed those comments.

They’re banking on him being *at worst* a decent playable LT that is young, and man even an average LT would such a dramatic upgrade for this offense.

Per the analytics, LT was responsible for 34% of pressure responsibility last year, which was over 20% higher than the 2nd worst team at 28%. Keep in mind that the offense had to have training wheels put on it and have half of the plays taken out bc of the LT and injuries to skill players, so that 34% may be a little kind for what reality showed on tape.

They’re very desperate and I can’t blame them

[fuzzy]

Originally Posted by RunKC

I think you’re spot on here. Like it or not the Chiefs are desperate and a guy as talented as Josh Simmons was is never gonna be available to this team picking so late so this is an outlier.

I think the extra pick from Sneed and the Chiefs not trading away assets, but rather gaining one, helped the risk allocation for them.

We’ve had 7 LT’s in 4 years since Eric Fisher ruptured his Achilles. They have done everything possible to try to fix tackle using a 1st, 2nd and two 3rd’s as well as paying top dollar for Taylor and none it has brought the dividends they hoped for.

Without injury I’d guarantee this kid is a top 10 pick in this draft and everyone from Nick Saban, Matt Miller, Todd McShay and Louis Riddick echoed those comments.

They’re banking on him being *at worst* a decent playable LT that is young, and man even an average LT would such a dramatic upgrade for this offense.

Per the analytics, LT was responsible for 34% of pressure responsibility last year, which was over 20% higher than the 2nd worst team at 28%. Keep in mind that the offense had to have training wheels put on it and have half of the plays taken out bc of the LT and injuries to skill players, so that 34% may be a little kind for what reality showed on tape.

They’re very desperate and I can’t blame them

Good post. Those pressure stats are brutal.

The whole draft hinges on Simmons. Everybody could be completely and totally bust, but if Simmons hits then the draft is a massive success. The whole draft is about Simmons.