Chiefs Offensive struggles the last 2 years are personnel driven, not coaching - Page 11

RunKC · 02-09-2025, 11:12 PM

Idk how anyone cannot see this.

Andy Reid stood at the combine in 2023 and said Skyy Moore and Kadarius Toney were their top WR’s. We saw how that went.

In fact, can anyone tell me without looking what WR has had the most snaps of any Chiefs WR the last 2 seasons? Anyone? Ready for it? It’s Justin Watson. Nobody has played more snaps at that position than him the last 2 years.

Don’t even get me started on the OL. A late 3rd and late 2nd on tackles are considered projects. They are not real shots at a LT historically speaking. Shocking that they turned out to look like projects.
We have had 5 starting LT’s the last 2 years. FIVE.

The RB room had the least explosive plays of any RB room in the entire league. Only 17 10+ explosive plays all year. We even had some loser with an Alligator that plays FB take starting snaps

I get that it sucked losing Pacheco, Hollywood and Rashee. I understand and am not faulting Veach. The fact is that Kareem Hunt, Juju, DeAndre Hopkins and Travis Kelce are old. They aren’t explosive anymore. That was painfully clear tonight. It’s why Veach doesn’t like signing 30+ year old players unless he absolutely has to.

Again this isn’t a Veach bitch fest it’s just the facts. I think Veach is gonna take a hammer to this offense and hard after OL and explosive playmakers.

Thankfully he’s got an extra pick early thanks to Sneed

fuzzy · 05-01-2025, 02:02 PM

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Originally Posted by BWillie

Our offensive line was better than most teams with great QBs. Yes LT was rough at times but there was a stretch with Thuney were it was very solid...until it wasn't. Mahomes, more times than not, saw ghosts.

I'd trade Creed, Thuney and Trey Smith for Tristan Wirfs. Straight up...

**PHOG** · 05-01-2025, 02:11 PM

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Originally Posted by fuzzy

I agree with you. Andy is old at this point, but I don't think he's lost his touch yet. I still think he's got a few more seasons of magic left in his brain.

The issue is personnel like you said. Specifically, it is the Left Tackle spot. You can't function properly on offense with arguably the worst starting LT in the NFL. We didn't want to pay for Trent Williams so this is what we get. He was there. Veach didn't think Williams was worth it. Well he then went on to have three All Pro 1 seasons after Veach turned him down.

Trent called your bluff Veach.

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Originally Posted by fuzzy

I'd trade Creed, Thuney and Trey Smith for Tristan Wirfs. Straight up...

MahomesMagic · 05-01-2025, 02:25 PM

Not a Chiefs fan, he's a Nagy ball licker.

Sorry, no excuse not to have a top 5 offense with Patrick Mahomes in his prime.

You might think throwing 2 yard passes over and over is slick but I actually watch other NFL games and watch other teams move the ball way easier than us with better schemes and playcalling.

Watch Buffalo run a Teemu Sean Payton offense with Shakir as their #1 and bully ball win a good but not great OL. An OC that no one else in the NFL wanted and got fired multiple times.

Everybody else scoring points easily that has a top end QB and Chiefs have to make everything hard.

RunKC · 05-01-2025, 02:56 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by MahomesMagic

Not a Chiefs fan, he's a Nagy ball licker.
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The Chiefs won the Super Bowl 2 years ago and you called it an absolute failure for months.

You’re not a Chiefs fan. You joined when things were good. You didn’t live through 20 years without a playoff win. You didn’t live through finally seeing this franchise win a playoff game in 2015. You didn’t live through the Pioli or Herm disasters or struggle through the Marty years.

We don’t have issues with new Chiefs fans, but let’s make something clear: you are not a Chiefs fan. You’re a Mahomes fan only. Team reaches the mountain top again and you called it a complete failure. That’s your out.

You are viewed no better than the Swifties who bandwagoned this fanbase. That I can promise you. We had posters just like you before. They were Alexsexuals in the years before this dynasty.

Like them, you’ll leave when your guy leaves. But we will remain whether the franchise succeeds or fails.

Bc we are Chiefs fans and you are not. And the answer is yes by the way. Everybody on this board knows this and sees you as such.

DRM08 · 05-01-2025, 02:58 PM

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Originally Posted by fuzzy

I agree with you. Andy is old at this point, but I don't think he's lost his touch yet. I still think he's got a few more seasons of magic left in his brain.

The issue is personnel like you said. Specifically, it is the Left Tackle spot. You can't function properly on offense with arguably the worst starting LT in the NFL. We didn't want to pay for Trent Williams so this is what we get. He was there. Veach didn't think Williams was worth it. Well he then went on to have three All Pro 1 seasons after Veach turned him down.

Trent called your bluff Veach.

Trent Williams was always using the Chiefs to squeeze more money out of the Niners. He didn't want to leave San Francisco. He missed out on at least 2 rings, maybe even more than that if the Chiefs had him the whole time (2021 to 2024).

MahomesMagic · 05-01-2025, 02:59 PM

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Originally Posted by RunKC

The Chiefs won the Super Bowl 2 years ago and you called it an absolute failure for months.

You’re not a Chiefs fan. You joined when things were good. You didn’t live through 20 years without a playoff win. You didn’t live through finally seeing this franchise win a playoff game in 2015. You didn’t live through the Pioli or Herm disasters or struggle through the Marty years.

We don’t have issues with new Chiefs fans, but let’s make something clear: you are not a Chiefs fan. You’re a Mahomes fan only. Team reaches the mountain top again and you called it a complete failure. That’s your out.

You are viewed no better than the Swifties who bandwagoned this fanbase. That I can promise you. We had posters just like you before. They were Alexsexuals in the years before this dynasty.

Like them, you’ll leave when your guy leaves. But we will remain whether the franchise succeeds or fails.

Bc we are Chiefs fans and you are not. And the answer is yes by the way. Everybody on this board knows this and sees you as such.

I did not call winning the SB a failure you absolute retarrd.

Look, I don't mind talking to old people but when you are living in your own nursing own reality I have to put you back on ignore.

Seek help and hope you don't shit your pants again.

As for the rest off your fan fiction, speak for yourself. Don't speak for others. Obviously you never learned basic life lessons even with your advanced age.

MahomesMagic · 05-01-2025, 03:11 PM

We we we

Another NPC that can't think for themself.

Sad.

"We"

RunKC · 05-01-2025, 03:22 PM

You just said yesterday on the last page, post 140, that we were wasting Mahomes prime. Of course you think it’s a failure. Just like you blabbed about in 2023

5 SB’s in 6 years and winning 3 is a waste to you. A failure. Because you are not a Chiefs fan. As you prove repeatedly.

That’s perfectly fine. Accept it little fella. Embrace it. The Swifties do and you should as well. Your age, boomer, alpha, soy and other mainstream insults only reveal your age and get more hilarious each time. You’re still welcome here little guy. Just know who you are…

MahomesMagic · 05-01-2025, 03:32 PM

This is for the non-Nagy family to consider.

2022 Last year with no Nagy as OC

Chiefs #1 in explosive plays over 20 yards
#2 in explosive plays over 40 yards

Matt Nagy enters as OC 2023

2023

Plays over +20 yards Chiefs drop to 16th from 1 in ONE YEAR!

2024

Plays over +20 yards Chiefs now near bottom 5 in the NFL.

NAGIFICATION almost complete.

The question is can Matt Nagy get us to bottom 3 like his last year with the Bears?!

fuzzy · 05-02-2025, 03:07 AM

Is Hunter Nourzad that bad? Feel like he hasn't even gotten a shot. I do like Creed Humphrey, but Center is the least important position on the line. And one of the least important positions on offense. It's between Center and Running Back.

That said, did we really need to pay Creed all that money?

I'd have rather used the money to explore a possible Rashee Rice extension after 2025. Which is going to be expensive if he comes back from knee injury.

What ever happened to Nourzad?

TEX · 05-02-2025, 05:56 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by fuzzy

Is Hunter Nourzad that bad? Feel like he hasn't even gotten a shot. I do like Creed Humphrey, but Center is the least important position on the line. And one of the least important positions on offense. It's between Center and Running Back.

That said, did we really need to pay Creed all that money?

I'd have rather used the money to explore a possible Rashee Rice extension after 2025. Which is going to be expensive if he comes back from knee injury.

What ever happened to Nourzad?

So much fail here

RunKC · 05-04-2025, 12:02 PM

We replaced this with Justin Watson, bum legged Juju, 40 year Hopkins and 40 year old Kelce. Not hard to see why outside of Worthy, the offense was as explosive as Mike Pennel.

Best wide receivers at picking up yards and earning targets on a per route basis in 2024 (min. 25 targets) pic.twitter.com/IduydYh3cX
— Ian Hartitz (@Ihartitz) May 3, 2025

**RealSNR** · 05-04-2025, 01:07 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by MahomesMagic

This is for the non-Nagy family to consider.

2022 Last year with no Nagy as OC

Chiefs #1 in explosive plays over 20 yards
#2 in explosive plays over 40 yards

Matt Nagy enters as OC 2023

2023

Plays over +20 yards Chiefs drop to 16th from 1 in ONE YEAR!

2024

Plays over +20 yards Chiefs now near bottom 5 in the NFL.

NAGIFICATION almost complete.

The question is can Matt Nagy get us to bottom 3 like his last year with the Bears?!

So EB was the key this whole time?

MahomesMagic · 05-04-2025, 02:03 PM

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Originally Posted by RealSNR

So EB was the key this whole time?

I don't think he was the key, it was always Andy Reid.

My personal belief is that Andy elevated Nagy to OC and delegated more to him because he had already been a head coach in Chicago.

He wanted to be more of the CEO and do less of the day to day. It's common in the NFL for Offensive head coaches to call plays and then one day they don't. Then they take back duties as needed.

But Andy is older now and doesn't have the same energy he had before he won a SB when he fired Sutton and brought in Spags.

But even if you don't buy it and think Reid is running an offense that just happens to suck and look a lot like Matt Nagy's Bears offenses in Chicago the very year Nagy came back, it still isn't good.

Either Nagy is running things or Reid lost his fast ball.

But the offensive scheme and playcalling has been sub-par the last 2 years.

Deberg_1990 · 05-04-2025, 05:01 PM

It wouldn’t shock me if Nagy ends up being Reid’s hand picked successor in 2028

02-09-2025, 11:12 PM
RunKC Andy Reid Supporter Join Date: Apr 2012 Casino cash: $-1460389	Offensive struggles the last 2 years are personnel driven, not coaching Idk how anyone cannot see this. Andy Reid stood at the combine in 2023 and said Skyy Moore and Kadarius Toney were their top WR’s. We saw how that went. In fact, can anyone tell me without looking what WR has had the most snaps of any Chiefs WR the last 2 seasons? Anyone? Ready for it? It’s Justin Watson. Nobody has played more snaps at that position than him the last 2 years. Don’t even get me started on the OL. A late 3rd and late 2nd on tackles are considered projects. They are not real shots at a LT historically speaking. Shocking that they turned out to look like projects. We have had 5 starting LT’s the last 2 years. FIVE. The RB room had the least explosive plays of any RB room in the entire league. Only 17 10+ explosive plays all year. We even had some loser with an Alligator that plays FB take starting snaps I get that it sucked losing Pacheco, Hollywood and Rashee. I understand and am not faulting Veach. The fact is that Kareem Hunt, Juju, DeAndre Hopkins and Travis Kelce are old. They aren’t explosive anymore. That was painfully clear tonight. It’s why Veach doesn’t like signing 30+ year old players unless he absolutely has to. Again this isn’t a Veach bitch fest it’s just the facts. I think Veach is gonna take a hammer to this offense and hard after OL and explosive playmakers. Thankfully he’s got an extra pick early thanks to Sneed
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05-01-2025, 02:25 PM	#153
MahomesMagic Generational Player Join Date: May 2017 Location: Honolulu Casino cash: $510400	Not a Chiefs fan, he's a Nagy ball licker. Sorry, no excuse not to have a top 5 offense with Patrick Mahomes in his prime. You might think throwing 2 yard passes over and over is slick but I actually watch other NFL games and watch other teams move the ball way easier than us with better schemes and playcalling. Watch Buffalo run a Teemu Sean Payton offense with Shakir as their #1 and bully ball win a good but not great OL. An OC that no one else in the NFL wanted and got fired multiple times. Everybody else scoring points easily that has a top end QB and Chiefs have to make everything hard.
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05-01-2025, 03:11 PM	#157
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05-01-2025, 03:22 PM	#158
RunKC Andy Reid Supporter Join Date: Apr 2012 Casino cash: $-1460389	You just said yesterday on the last page, post 140, that we were wasting Mahomes prime. Of course you think it’s a failure. Just like you blabbed about in 2023 5 SB’s in 6 years and winning 3 is a waste to you. A failure. Because you are not a Chiefs fan. As you prove repeatedly. That’s perfectly fine. Accept it little fella. Embrace it. The Swifties do and you should as well. Your age, boomer, alpha, soy and other mainstream insults only reveal your age and get more hilarious each time. You’re still welcome here little guy. Just know who you are… __________________ Mike Greenberg@Espngreeny I can’t fathom what it must be like to be a fan of the #Chiefs. Adopt a Chief: Jared Wiley
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05-01-2025, 03:32 PM	#159
MahomesMagic Generational Player Join Date: May 2017 Location: Honolulu Casino cash: $510400	This is for the non-Nagy family to consider. 2022 Last year with no Nagy as OC Chiefs #1 in explosive plays over 20 yards #2 in explosive plays over 40 yards Matt Nagy enters as OC 2023 2023 Plays over +20 yards Chiefs drop to 16th from 1 in ONE YEAR! 2024 Plays over +20 yards Chiefs now near bottom 5 in the NFL. NAGIFICATION almost complete. The question is can Matt Nagy get us to bottom 3 like his last year with the Bears?!
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05-02-2025, 03:07 AM	#160
fuzzy Starter Join Date: Apr 2025 Casino cash: $-59500	Is Hunter Nourzad that bad? Feel like he hasn't even gotten a shot. I do like Creed Humphrey, but Center is the least important position on the line. And one of the least important positions on offense. It's between Center and Running Back. That said, did we really need to pay Creed all that money? I'd have rather used the money to explore a possible Rashee Rice extension after 2025. Which is going to be expensive if he comes back from knee injury. What ever happened to Nourzad?
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05-04-2025, 12:02 PM	#162
RunKC Andy Reid Supporter Join Date: Apr 2012 Casino cash: $-1460389	We replaced this with Justin Watson, bum legged Juju, 40 year Hopkins and 40 year old Kelce. Not hard to see why outside of Worthy, the offense was as explosive as Mike Pennel. Best wide receivers at picking up yards and earning targets on a per route basis in 2024 (min. 25 targets) pic.twitter.com/IduydYh3cX — Ian Hartitz (@Ihartitz) May 3, 2025 __________________ Mike Greenberg@Espngreeny I can’t fathom what it must be like to be a fan of the #Chiefs. Adopt a Chief: Jared Wiley
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Deberg_1990 In Search of a Life Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: San Antonio Tx. Casino cash: $284454	It wouldn’t shock me if Nagy ends up being Reid’s hand picked successor in 2028 __________________ Originally Posted by Cassel's Reckoning: Matt once made a very nice play in Seattle where he spun away from a pass rusher and hit Bowe off his back foot for a first down. One of the best plays Matt has ever made.
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