Other Sports "Shoeless" Joe Jackson and Pete Rose removed from MLB ineligible list. - Page 12

George Liquor · 05-13-2025, 02:21 PM

https://nypost.com/2025/05/13/sports...ns-in-shocker/

Soon to be Hall of Famers?

ThrobProng · 05-15-2025, 12:04 PM

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Originally Posted by Ocotillo

Screw the PED players, too. They have no one to blame for themselves for the decisions they made that they knew was wrong. Leaving them out is the deterrent for future players not to use.

They still kept their money. They still have their records. Nobody took away their team accomplishments. They're not entitled to be honored in the National Baseball Hall of Fame.

Screw that. PEDs should not only be allowed, they should be encouraged. They can actually make baseball consistently entertaining.

Katipan · 05-15-2025, 12:16 PM

Dude. Never get high on your own supply is like lesson #1.

Katipan · 05-15-2025, 12:17 PM

Oops I guess #4.

**Rain Man** · 05-15-2025, 12:18 PM

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Originally Posted by Mecca

That was all great until I couldn't flip on a single game or sports network without 85% of the coverage being about gambling or being sponsored by gambling.

You literally can't walk both sides of that "gambling bad for you but good for me" This would be like if you filled your house with cocaine and then got mad you caught your son snorting coke...

If the NFL fines the players who they suspend for gambling, I wonder if they give the money to charities who fight gambling addiction, which in turn is caused by the NFL's implicit promotion of gambling.

(I say this while realizing that the promotion is really by the networks who make money from gambling ads, but if the NFL was serious about shutting down gambling, they'd require the networks to not discuss gambling on pre-game shows or sell gambling advertisements during games.)

**Rain Man** · 05-15-2025, 12:20 PM

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Originally Posted by Katipan

Oops I guess #4.

What are the first three? I assume #1 is 'never default on payments to drug kingpins who have pet hippos.'

DJJasonp · 05-15-2025, 12:23 PM

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Originally Posted by ThrobProng

Screw that. PEDs should not only be allowed, they should be encouraged. They can actually make baseball consistently entertaining.

PEDs dont help you hit a curveball.

What they do/did for players is recovery rate and feeling more optimum day in and day out.

competitive advantage.

But with that said, yeah, either bring the ban hammer, or you make them allowable for everyone, so everyone is playing on an even playing field.

Katipan · 05-15-2025, 12:41 PM

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Originally Posted by Rain Man

If the NFL fines the players who they suspend for gambling, I wonder if they give the money to charities who fight gambling addiction, which in turn is caused by the NFL's implicit promotion of gambling.

(I say this while realizing that the promotion is really by the networks who make money from gambling ads, but if the NFL was serious about shutting down gambling, they'd require the networks to not discuss gambling on pre-game shows or sell gambling advertisements during games.)

The first 3 are the same.

Don’t reveal how much you have.
Don’t reveal what you’re about to do.
Don’t trust anyone.

MarkDavis'Haircut · 05-15-2025, 01:28 PM

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Originally Posted by Mecca

That was all great until I couldn't flip on a single game or sports network without 85% of the coverage being about gambling or being sponsored by gambling.

You literally can't walk both sides of that "gambling bad for you but good for me" This would be like if you filled your house with cocaine and then got mad you caught your son snorting coke...

There is a massive difference between having fans bet on games and playing/coaches/owners engaging in betting. The latter questions the sports' legitimacy.

Mecca · 05-15-2025, 01:30 PM

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Originally Posted by MarkDavis'Haircut

There is a massive difference between having fans bet on games and playing/coaches/owners engaging in betting. The latter questions the sports' legitimacy.

It mattered at 1 time to the point that they did not want gambling to be a part of any of the coverage...now it's everywhere.

ThrobProng · 05-15-2025, 01:48 PM

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Originally Posted by DJJasonp

PEDs dont help you hit a curveball.

What they do/did for players is recovery rate and feeling more optimum day in and day out.

competitive advantage.

But with that said, yeah, either bring the ban hammer, or you make them allowable for everyone, so everyone is playing on an even playing field.

PEDs do help you hit 500+ ft. home runs, which is entertaining. They made it possible for McGwire and Sosa to "save" baseball.

Why Not? · 05-15-2025, 02:13 PM

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Originally Posted by Megatron96

This is basically how i look at it as well. The HoF is supposed to be about baseball's greatest players. I remember a great baseball writer once wrote "the HoF is about telling the story of the game, and the question that must be asked is "can you tell the story of the game without this player?" And if you can't, then they should be in the HoF.

It's not supposed to be political.

And, imo, the story of baseball can't be told without Shoeless Joe or Pete Rose. Regardless of what kind of people they were, they were among the greatest players of all time, and that's the criteria for induction, not whether they were good people or not.

Absolutely. It’s like people are forgetting that more than one thing can be true. Pete Rose would be laughed out of a room, and rightfully so, if he was up for the “good person and stand up dude” HOF. But he absolutely should be in the baseball HOF for what he did, as a player.

Frazod · 05-15-2025, 02:39 PM

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Originally Posted by Mecca

That was all great until I couldn't flip on a single game or sports network without 85% of the coverage being about gambling or being sponsored by gambling.

You literally can't walk both sides of that "gambling bad for you but good for me" This would be like if you filled your house with cocaine and then got mad you caught your son snorting coke...

I couldn't agree with this more. I am so ****ing sick of all this gambling shit. It's like they've turned the whole goddamn country into a seedy casino. Crawling in bed with Vegas and then trying to maintain the high road on betting is the height of hypocrisy. I miss the days when this crap was contained to Vegas, Atlantic City and mob bookies.

I'm also sure there are plenty of people involved in the various leagues and media who feel the same, but have been silenced by the icy hand of greed.

Ocotillo · 05-15-2025, 09:22 PM

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Originally Posted by ThrobProng

Screw that. PEDs should not only be allowed, they should be encouraged. They can actually make baseball consistently entertaining.

No.

Baseball needs more doubles, triples, stolen bases. Not three true outcomes.

**Rain Man** · 05-15-2025, 10:29 PM

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Originally Posted by Ocotillo

No.

Baseball needs more doubles, triples, stolen bases. Not three true outcomes.

Maybe they can have steroids and also move the fences back 200 feet.

GabyKeepsMeWarm · Yesterday, 02:43 AM

I just want to say…

Pete Rose people, hillbilly Cincinnati bundle of sticks weirdos…. That’s your crew.

This dude willfully signed an agreement with Giamatti, basically allowing Rose’s files to remain sealed. Pete did this on his own as an adult grown man. MLB went out of their way to avoid this in the late 80’s.

How would this have helped MLB? It didn’t. MLB and the whole world had the goods on Pete Rose. Pete knew it. He had been cheating taxes for years, and finally got popped and did time. He ****ed teenagers. And if you’re naive enough to believe he just started gambling when he became manager, then I have a bridge for sale.

Hero worship is some sad shit. Of all people to defend, why do so many run up a flag for Pete Rose? Is it because you actually respect the guy? Sure, he’s funny and can be engaging about the topic of baseball, but he was always a man in a state of arrested development. He never had the emotional equivalent beyond a teenager. That’s your hero.

He had ties to the mob. He ****ed your daughters. He also had 4000 hits. Jesus…. It’s a stretch for me to think this guy is cool or deserving of anything but total derision. Dude was Cincy shit pasta his whole life until he decided it was cool to trash Giamatti and travel to Cooperstown peddling his autograph while living in Vegas.

And here’s the rub…. Manfred is the worst one who sucks the penis commissioner next to Selig, and he’s clearly just blowing darts. Pete ain’t getting elected in the next five or ten years. He might be on a new bundle of sticks list of Manfred’s, but Rose ain’t getting in while so many other HOF’ers are still alive.

Pete signed his fate, and I guarantee you he did that knowing full well how god awful ****ed up MLB had him and we will never know that stuff.

Pete Rose is a ****ing scumbag POS, I hope he never gets into the HOF, and may he rot in Hell.

05-13-2025, 02:21 PM
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GabyKeepsMeWarm I'll **** anything that moves! Join Date: Jan 2022 Casino cash: $-2270000	I just want to say… Pete Rose people, hillbilly Cincinnati bundle of sticks weirdos…. That’s your crew. This dude willfully signed an agreement with Giamatti, basically allowing Rose’s files to remain sealed. Pete did this on his own as an adult grown man. MLB went out of their way to avoid this in the late 80’s. How would this have helped MLB? It didn’t. MLB and the whole world had the goods on Pete Rose. Pete knew it. He had been cheating taxes for years, and finally got popped and did time. He **ed teenagers. And if you’re naive enough to believe he just started gambling when he became manager, then I have a bridge for sale. Hero worship is some sad shit. Of all people to defend, why do so many run up a flag for Pete Rose? Is it because you actually respect the guy? Sure, he’s funny and can be engaging about the topic of baseball, but he was always a man in a state of arrested development. He never had the emotional equivalent beyond a teenager. That’s your hero. He had ties to the mob. He ed your daughters. He also had 4000 hits. Jesus…. It’s a stretch for me to think this guy is cool or deserving of anything but total derision. Dude was Cincy shit pasta his whole life until he decided it was cool to trash Giamatti and travel to Cooperstown peddling his autograph while living in Vegas. And here’s the rub…. Manfred is the worst one who sucks the penis commissioner next to Selig, and he’s clearly just blowing darts. Pete ain’t getting elected in the next five or ten years. He might be on a new bundle of sticks list of Manfred’s, but Rose ain’t getting in while so many other HOF’ers are still alive. Pete signed his fate, and I guarantee you he did that knowing full well how god awful ed up MLB had him and we will never know that stuff. Pete Rose is a **ing scumbag POS, I hope he never gets into the HOF, and may he rot in Hell.
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