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Old 11-29-2004, 04:04 PM   #1
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He did up until a year ago.
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Old 11-29-2004, 04:28 PM   #2
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He did up until a year ago.
Exactly...

This was addressed in one of the Apple Expo's by Jobs but for some reason I can't find any info on it.
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Old 11-29-2004, 04:35 PM   #3
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Exactly...

This was addressed in one of the Apple Expo's by Jobs but for some reason I can't find any info on it.
That whole thing was made WAY too big a deal of, anyway. Jobs bribed Gates into buying the stock (and into continuing to make Office for Mac) in exchange for Jobs not going back to court with Microsoft over trademark infringment. $150 million was small change to Apple, which was about an $11 Billion company at the time. And, of course, it was VERY small change to Gates and MS. The media painted it as if Gates swooped in and saved Apple from the brink of extinction, or something. If I had a penny for every time someone has said Apple was on their detah bed...
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Old 11-29-2004, 06:36 PM   #4
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That whole thing was made WAY too big a deal of, anyway. Jobs bribed Gates into buying the stock (and into continuing to make Office for Mac) in exchange for Jobs not going back to court with Microsoft over trademark infringment. $150 million was small change to Apple, which was about an $11 Billion company at the time. And, of course, it was VERY small change to Gates and MS. The media painted it as if Gates swooped in and saved Apple from the brink of extinction, or something. If I had a penny for every time someone has said Apple was on their detah bed...


Yeah, Jobs out-played Gates.

The move buy Gates was PURELY business. At the same time it happened they announce Mac Office. Boom, M$ profits. Then they dump a boat load of cash in to Apple, and Apple begins a fast upsurge in sales.

All of a sudden, this VERY small change amounts to HUGE DOLLARS in the M$ monopoly court case because they once again have a thriving competitor and simply get slapped with fines rather than being split up.

I'm not saying Apple was on its death bead, or even close, but to say M$ didn't make out like gang-busters is incorrect. To deny the success brought about by the "collaboration" efforts (Jobs plans, Gates $$$), is to seriously overestimate where Apple was at the time.
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Old 11-29-2004, 06:41 PM   #5
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I'm not saying Apple was on its death bead, or even close, but to say M$ didn't make out like gang-busters is incorrect. To deny the success brought about by the "collaboration" efforts (Jobs plans, Gates $$$), is to seriously overestimate where Apple was at the time.
Gates, once again, found a way to make money off of Apple. But by no means was that investment "gang-busters."

Hell, Gates pockets more after taxes than the entire worth of Apple...but you're right about it helping his court cases.
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Old 11-29-2004, 06:48 PM   #6
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Gates, once again, found a way to make money off of Apple. But by no means was that investment "gang-busters."

Hell, Gates pockets more after taxes than the entire worth of Apple...but you're right about it helping his court cases.
That's what I'm referring to. The potential losses if the court found M$ guilty of a monopoly would have been absolutely astronomical.

Hell, there were rumors about M$ moving 150 miles north into Canada if that happened.

Also at the time was the Corel/Novell back and forth with their java-based Office client. Mac Office helped solidify a monopoly within a monopoly.
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Old 11-29-2004, 10:33 PM   #7
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Yeah, Jobs out-played Gates.

The move buy Gates was PURELY business. At the same time it happened they announce Mac Office. Boom, M$ profits. Then they dump a boat load of cash in to Apple, and Apple begins a fast upsurge in sales.

All of a sudden, this VERY small change amounts to HUGE DOLLARS in the M$ monopoly court case because they once again have a thriving competitor and simply get slapped with fines rather than being split up.

I'm not saying Apple was on its death bead, or even close, but to say M$ didn't make out like gang-busters is incorrect. To deny the success brought about by the "collaboration" efforts (Jobs plans, Gates $$$), is to seriously overestimate where Apple was at the time.
Oh, you're completly right and I don't disagree with you at all. I don't think I said anything that would contradict this, either (you act like you're talking to a Mac bigot, which I most definitely am not).

My only point was that $150 Million investment was then, and still is now, painted by the media as the "day Microsoft saved Apple." That is so absurd, but that's the way it was seen. Apple needed Mac Office. Gates needed to avoid a court case. They made a deal that benefited both sides. Simple as that.
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Old 11-29-2004, 10:43 PM   #8
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Oh, you're completly right and I don't disagree with you at all. I don't think I said anything that would contradict this, either (you act like you're talking to a Mac bigot, which I most definitely am not).

My only point was that $150 Million investment was then, and still is now, painted by the media as the "day Microsoft saved Apple." That is so absurd, but that's the way it was seen. Apple needed Mac Office. Gates needed to avoid a court case. They made a deal that benefited both sides. Simple as that.
True.

Rereading my response I was a bit harsh, sorry about that.

I've been wondering what the world would be like today if Apple never got into bed with M$.
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True.

Rereading my response I was a bit harsh, sorry about that.

I've been wondering what the world would be like today if Apple never got into bed with M$.
There would be no microsoft as we know it today...
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This was addressed in one of the Apple Expo's by Jobs but for some reason I can't find any info on it.
The $150 mil was an agreement between Apple and Microsoft. Microsoft would develop Office software for Apple and Apple would drop their "likeness" lawsuits.

The contract was for 5 years and ended in early 03. So, Jobs sold the stock (he could do so because it was a non-voting option that Gates invested in). Basically, it was a $150 million loan.
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The $150 mil was an agreement between Apple and Microsoft. Microsoft would develop Office software for Apple and Apple would drop their "likeness" lawsuits.

The contract was for 5 years and ended in early 03. So, Jobs sold the stock (he could do so because it was a non-voting option that Gates invested in). Basically, it was a $150 million loan.
That clears that up, sorry Brad.
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